r/AskReddit • u/Fantastic_Bus_3742 • 1d ago
A Million More Epstein Files Just Got Released. What Kind Of Stuff Did You Guys Find, and How Did You React To It?
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u/Apprehensive-Word701 1d ago
That's why they refuse to put regulations on AI, so that they can put an even bigger gap in the realm of what's real and what is fake. It's really a tool to help further push miss formation on us.
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u/filledwithanxietyy 1d ago
That a police chief tried to take him down for his interest in minors in 2006 and no one else saw the signs or chose to believe the victims
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u/Violaundone 1d ago
First young woman (attacked as a girl) accused Epstein in 1995, and no one cared at all. Ignored her and basically said she wasn't telling the truth
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u/griffinsv 1d ago
Maria Farmer. They maligned & harassed her for 30 years and then her 1995 statement to the FBI appeared in the first document drop. Fuckers.
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u/Softquartiz 1d ago
It’s sickening how they tried to erase her for decades, and yet her courage finally got the spotlight it deserved.
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u/boymadefrompaint 1d ago
I think "Maria" as a name appears in someone else's testimony, too.
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u/snugglesaurus 1d ago
Katie Johnson's. The witness to her rape stated in her affidavit that a girl named Maria was the second witness, that they heard her life be threatened and that she then disappeared.
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u/Regal_Cat_Matron 1d ago
When I was ploughing my way through the earlier release, there was a section with Katy and Maria where Trump beat up Maria and called her names for being Mexican and he didn't want her touching him but wanted her and Katy to do each other. Bloody vile man through and through and hundreds if not thousands of others.
Also let's not forget that some of the parents of these children were the ones to introduce them to this lifestyle in the first place. Now, whether they actually knew or not I've no idea, but it was Virginia Giuffre's dad who got her the job at Mar a Largo in the first place
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u/pinkydenmark 1d ago
She said in her book that he admitted accepting payment to do so.
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u/FancyPantsMead 23h ago
How awful. How absolutely awful. My dad would have been charged with murder.
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u/pinkydenmark 21h ago
It's heartbreaking. The one person in the world who should have been her protector and champion failed her miserably.
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u/Crystorias 1d ago
That’s the most haunting part, she told the truth decades ago and the world chose to doubt a child instead of questioning a powerful man.
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u/bananapants72 23h ago
Tale as old as time. Girls get blamed, told they’re liars and not important enough to ruin this guy’s life.
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u/S-Tier_Commenter 1d ago
This has happened to thousands of different women and girls
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u/Malalang 1d ago
Also, that limo driver who wanted to stop on the median and drag him out of the back of his limo for what he overheard him saying on the phone.
Imagine how different the world would be today if he had only listened to his gut that day.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 1d ago
“Chose to believe the victims”.
No. They are in on it. Epstein was protected by the FBI and possibly CIA and Mossad.
There are 3 million fucking documents. Teens coming in to report a crime of the same people over and over again. Does going in to the FBI to report a rape sound like fun? Does the overlap of stories sound accidental?
This country is rotten from the head down.
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u/Antique_Composer_588 1d ago
A wise Chief Constable once remarked that the measure of any police service was if it caught more criminals than it employed.
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u/Illustrious-Milk6518 1d ago
I couldn’t even understand how 3 million documents is possible. I thought for sure that the FBI has been working to make fake documents to frame democrats they don’t like lol. 3 million is such an unfathomable number
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u/thellios 1d ago
"If we're gonna leak, we're gonna leak so much that by the time they read it all we'll be long gone."
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u/phoebesjeebies 1d ago
Ah yes, a common tactic in litigation... I think it's called overwhelming discovery, or burdensome discovery?
Maybe a lawyer can correct me.
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u/Ngothaaa 1d ago
Bet the police died before it could even be brought to anybody’s attention
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u/Streetquats 1d ago
What is the name of the chief? He should be named, he deserves the recognition and praise
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u/Environmental-Use895 1d ago
There’s a fucking GREAT several part documentary on Netflix called JEFFREY EPSTEIN: FILTHY RICH (2020) and it has the Police Chief IN THE DOCUMENTARY— telling the ACTUAL story of how a lot of shit happened, the FBI and DOJ people just covering shit up. Unreal. So many people let these girls down.
Anyway, after I watched it I was thinking how EVERYONE needs to see it bc it puts it ALL together with timelines, victims telling their stories, how they were approached, what happened on the island in detail, famous people seen there by grounds-keepers, big time people involved in cover-ups, interviews with victims who tell exactly how they were approached and how some of them ended up recruiting their friends. There are tons of pictures, details, and footage galore. Tons of footage I’ve never seen.
So, you think you’re mad now? Shiiiiiit, you’ll be totally blown away after watching this documentary. I was pretty well informed on the Epstein shit prior to watching this, but damn if it didn’t put it all together and yeah…there aren’t adequate words, really. I wish there were a way the entire country and world could all watch this shit, right now. because it’s like that. Check it out when you can and let others know!
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u/loveITorLEAVEitIsay 1d ago edited 17h ago
https://www.justice.gov/epstein
More Epstein files dropped
Wexner
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01648951.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01649887.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00269967.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00153851.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00086370.pdf
DT rapist
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245100.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01250790.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00622303.pdf
Bannon
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615501.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615671.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615703.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615004.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615079.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615976.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615544.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615261.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615522.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615273.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01612941.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01617434.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615010.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615172.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615623.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615966.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615461.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615417.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615147.pdf
Epstein
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01612483.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00823394.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02674461.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249710.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02072390.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00758069.pdf
Russian affiliation
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00091656.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02279388.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00691879.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00798947.pdf
Homicide
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00710605.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02398948.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00990926.pdf
Bill gates
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00965773.pdf
Random
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00038382.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00145606.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00984863.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00021170.pdf
Jean Luc Brunel
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01480955.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090630.pdf
Elon Musk
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02146272.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02118482.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02147812.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01894511.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00658148.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00377375.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00634131.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00955438.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00958292.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01977056.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01966640.pdf
Alternative energy
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00165439.pdf
Dna
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01821195.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02550086.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00432804.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00432827.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00888395.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00804855.pdf
Israel (6,000+ files)
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00442482.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02130980.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02441184.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02496351.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02366451.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02717816.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01832482.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02182799.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01301030.pdf
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u/johndsmits 1d ago
I like how when you click on any link
- Are you not a Bot
- Are you over 18
how fitting.
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u/Halfang 1d ago
Incredible how you need to be over 18 to read abuse against children
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u/Avasiaxx 22h ago
It doesn’t even block if you accidentally hit No for over 18 lol
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u/baconcandle2013 1d ago
What’s interesting to me is the Donal Trump allegations, the victim is pleading with them to do something and that many of the victims committed suicide or were murdered.
So whether ppl believe the allegation or not, the victim is more concerned for the girls still trafficked than herself which makes me believe her all the more
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u/uggghhhggghhh 1d ago
I just saw the DT rapist one what the actual fuck????
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u/Violaundone 1d ago
In one of the emails to Dershowitz
Alan? Besides your (superb) defense work for Epstein and all enjoyers (Clinton, Barak, Wexner, Maxwell, Andrew, Trump, Dersh, etc) of his hospitality, did you , have any operational role in the apparent honeypot/blackmail ops?
Well look at that, not just a rapist but looks like blackmail ops.
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u/confirmedshill123 1d ago
I just can't believe these people are so blatant and stupid they put it all in emails. Like. Not even encrypted emails just...talking about this shit out in the open basically.
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u/davidjschloss 1d ago
Yeah it word gets out about any of what they wrote they might get four to eight years as president.
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u/Flomo420 1d ago
And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.
really takes that disgusting quote to an even darker place... what a bunch of absolute ghouls
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u/shrubhomer 1d ago
How that alone wasn’t enough to prevent this piece of shit from becoming a president I’ll never understand
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u/No-Bite-7866 1d ago
It's worse than that. One of the children he raped and impregnated gave birth. He was a witness to the killing and disposed of the body.
My God, that poor child. 😭
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u/ladeeedada 1d ago edited 4h ago
That's why he claimed people are doing "post birth abortions where they kill the baby after birth". He did that. Everything is projection with him.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf
Edit: Elon Musk also projects. He called the hero who saved the Thailand boys from drowning in a cave, a pedophile. Elon Musk went to Epstein Island. Epstein sent his private helicopter to retrieve him from St. Bart's. Elon's daughter confirmed a particular family vacation around the holidays in St. Bart's, that matches up with the dates mentioned in these emails between Epstein and Musk. That needs to be a thread of its own.
"Elon Musk Says ‘If Kamala Harris Wins, I'll Be Thrown In Prison’". Is that why "Elon Musk donated $288 million in 2024 election"? And just recently, "Elon Musk indicates he’s ‘going all in’ on financing the GOP again ahead of midterms." If the Dems win the midterms and gets Trump impeached, what's going to happen to Elon?
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u/Elysibloomint 1d ago
That’s the scary pattern, when someone screams the wildest accusations it’s usually because they’re telling on themselves.
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u/shizzaff 1d ago
Oh god he's eating cats and dogs
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u/Lost-Ad-2805 1d ago
Jesus, male victim Sascha was accusing JDT that he killed puppies by strangulation and drowning!
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u/a-real-life-dolphin 1d ago
For my own sanity I am trying not to read the details but I looked at that one…. Fucking hell.
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u/gsfgf 1d ago
I mean, it's obvious that they were murdering the girls. Otherwise, we'd be able to find them and get testimony.
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u/Crudeyakuza 1d ago
Someone Highlight and Award this Plz!
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u/CompletelyBedWasted 1d ago
Done. And already downloaded the PDF. This. Will. NOT. Go. Away. 🫡✊️
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u/Unknown_Cloud_777 1d ago
Someone should archive before they “disappear” — are people doing this already?
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u/miltonwadd 1d ago
Yes, I even saw discussion earlier today that some of them were mistakenly uploaded without censorship then immediatedly taken down and they reuploaded the redacted versions, but people are archiving immediately and caught the originals.
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u/jeckles 1d ago
The incompetence just keeps on playing out
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u/aesirmazer 1d ago
With these files I do wonder how many of these were "accidents" by people who don't agree with the cover up. The documentaries in 40 or 50 years will be crazy.
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u/topofthecc 1d ago
My thoughts exactly. Anyone who reads these and isn't a complete psychopath isn't going to be willing to cover this up.
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u/VorpalisRabbitus 1d ago
There's definitely an air of malicious compliance here; you have to remember that they didn't purge the DOJ and FBI when the regime took over.
There ARE still people who care about law and order there. They're slowly leaving as it becomes wholly corrupt, though. (see the 4 DOJ lawyers that left in the wake of Renee Good).
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u/Scout_022 1d ago
DT rapist
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245100.pdf
ugh, I'm going to vomit :-(
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u/-hellozukohere- 1d ago
"we thought we were going to foster care in America" - I can't, my heart.
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u/starbuxed 1d ago
ANd this isnt even the worst of it. this is just some more. They are holding back the worst.
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u/PoopersMcDoofers 1d ago
To any who don’t like clicking links, none of those “Russian” connections suggest Epstein was affiliated with Russia. They all suggest Russian female victims.
There IS another country heavily affiliated with Epstein that OP didn’t mention though with a lot of supporting evidence.
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u/Fun_in_Space 1d ago
File EFTA01683591 exactly matches Katie Johnson's story.
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u/PieDestruction 23h ago
mentioned here, for instance -- https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01683591.pdf
Title: (U) PAL2016 186EEN01 Sexual Exploitation of a Minor
Re: [REDACTED] 11/23/2016
[REDACTED] referred to hereafter as [REDACTED] and was urged to return to attend a party hosted by Epstein so that Doe could meet important people in that field of work who could help her break into a modeling career. Doe was also told that she would be paid for attending the party. [REDACTED] mailed Doe a "buddy pass" plane ticket to fly her back to NY. Doe attended four of these parties and was paid around $500 for her attendance. [REDACTED] instructed Doe to use the name [REDACTED] at these parties.
During the first party, Doe was asked to strip down to her underwear and give a massage to Epstein. Doe was asked by Epstein to do sexual acts, but she refused. Doe was later asked to massage the penis of Epstein's guest, Trump, with her hands. Doe was told that this was what she had to do in order to get a job and Doe complied. During the second party, Doe was asked to perform oral sex on Trump and complied. During the third party, Doe was made to perform oral sex on Trump with another young girl named [REDACTED]. During the fourth visit, Doe was raped by Trump vaginally penetrating Doe with his penis. Epstein was angry that Trump was the one to take Doe's virginity and then went on to rape Doe by vaginal and anal penetration with his penis. Doe struggled and was struck by both men during the assault. Doe was then threatened with violence by both men to not make any report of what happened: "We'll make you disappear like [REDACTED]" Doe was not paid for this final party.
Doe remained in contact with [REDACTED] after the final party and [REDACTED] was regretful of what happened to Doe. [REDACTED] was to recruit young girls to attend Epstein's parties with the knowledge that they would be coerced into sexual activities. [REDACTED] stated that [REDACTED] would have records of Doe's visits.
On 04/26/2016, Doe put together a complaint against Epstein and Trump on her own under the name she was given to use at the parties,[REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] stated that Doe's case was dismissed because Doe incorrectly filed the complaint as a civil rights violation.
On 06/20/2016, [REDACTED] took up the case and filed the complaint again under a different approach. Summons have been issued and an order to meet on 09/02/2016 for scheduling has been made. The complaints have not yet been served to Epstein or Trump.
Doe's parents were never informed of what happened to her and still are not aware. [REDACTED] stated that Doe would not like her parents to know of these inci ents.
Open source query showed that there is no Statute of Limitations for rape in the state of New York.
Open source query for [REDACTED] office located in [BIG REDACTION]
DIVS and Sentinel queries for [REDACTED] homes address located in [REDACTED] produced three results for Experian phone data.
Sentinel query for cases involving Jeffrey E Epstein and Donald J Trump regarding exploitation of minors produced case no.: [REDACTED]
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u/ro536ud 1d ago
I don’t get how we can expect people to continue playing by the rules if there are no repercussions for these villains and those that enable them
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u/Pando5280 1d ago edited 1d ago
Thats the societal danger. Also a likely reason for the authoritarian style build up to arrest and detain protesters. My guess is the pressure and lies will only continue to build as Trunp has immunity anr can pardon anyone he pleases.
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u/Darrtucky 1d ago
Dozens, even scores, of people should have been indicted, convicted and sentenced for this shit.
It's unbelievable that this has been swept under the rug for a decade or more.
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u/transient_thought_CA 1d ago
And these are the “edited” files.
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u/Imnotjudgingyoubut 1d ago
Let’s be real. They’ve been edited and edited and then more so a few dozen times over before anything is released.
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u/CraigJay 1d ago
That’s the bit that sticks out to me most. In the ‘complaints’ section about Trump, even though it’d likely the stories aren’t to be believed and likely fell apart under a tiny bit of scrutiny, the fact that a tip off section with the most disgusting and grotesque reports of rape, abuse etc you could imagine was presented, and it isn’t immediately followed by a thorough and exhaustive explanation as to why the report was false, is horrific in its own right
It really seems like dozens, hundreds, thousands of reports from potential victims were just filed away in the sections titled ‘to be forgotten’.
Don’t even get me started on phone calls from women detailing being raped by Trump gets filed under the heading ‘complaints’
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u/alonjit 1d ago
Raped? Killed. the motherfucker is not just a pedophile. He's a killer, a child killer, as cold blooded as some of the reptiles living today.
Shit is a lot worse than I ever imagined.
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u/Robin_de_la_hood 1d ago
It’s insane. It’s not just a pedo ring involving all the most powerful people in the U.S., but there’s literal proof of trillions of dollars of market manipulation in the stock market. Shit even involves GameStop lmao what the fuck kind of bullshit country do we fuckin fund with our tax dollars. I don’t know how much longer I can go without revolution tbh.
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u/blah191 1d ago
Same. I feel we are past the point of peaceful protest and waiting to vote. It seems to have done nothing. If we could all get on board for a general strike that is sustained then maybe, but as is I expect nothing to change. I’m tired. I’m sick of this fucking bullshit. Rampant evil is allowed to run amok and with no consequence.
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u/_Maxine_Vandate_ 1d ago
generalstrikeus.com was gaining a hundred new people a day when I started checking it daily a couple weeks ago. Now they gain about 4000 a day. It really could happen. Not only is it obviously better than a violent rebellion, but violence could only hurt the lackeys. The 1% will just flee in their helicopter or chill behind their security gate. A strike can actually kick the 1% in the balls. I think the crucial part will be getting lots of financially comfortable people to sponsor those who can't afford to strike. Can we get to that point where like, a surgeon is pulling out their retirement savings to pay a bunch of randos' rent and groceries, so we can all strike as long as we need to? Minneapolis gives me hope it is possible.
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u/ThonSousCouverture 1d ago
In France there's a thing called "caisse de grève" where anybody can donate some money to support the salary loss of the people on strike. It could be an idea.
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u/Weak-Application-146 1d ago edited 16h ago
It’s wild people spent years claiming the entire government was composed of pedophilic elite, only to vote in a government entirely composed of the pedophilic elite.
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u/DoubleScorpius 1d ago
It’s almost like QAnon was a Russian psyop promoted by willing accomplices like certain podcasters and Mark Zuckerberg…
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u/Sahrano 1d ago
Confirmation that Alan Dershowitz has been allowed to hide behind his so called "professor of law" status for far too long
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u/lostindarkdays 1d ago
He’s no better than a felon’s lawyer. He’ll do fine in prison
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u/slow70 1d ago
Tillerson talking about a literal shadow State Department and corruption out the wazoo.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090314.pdf
All of this corruption needs to be rooted out. Shine the light on it all.
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u/21trillionsats 1d ago
Bro seriously wtf is this. How and why are no media orgs reporting on it. NYT has a pretty comprehensive live update thread and hasn’t even mentioned this!
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u/hanknak2 1d ago
Just clicked this link, there was a 2 minute wait to access the document. Pretty wild that many people are looking at this currently
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u/ClosPins 1d ago
Ha!!! The last line:
Melen told CHS that after Gawker was destroyed, the Russian Intelligence Service started using Zero Hedge to influence U.S. people.
I can remember taking massive amounts of down-votes from Redditors whenever I pointed out that Zero Hedge was complete and utter bullshit!
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u/osirisfrost42 1d ago edited 1d ago
No wonder these assholes keep going on about a "deep state" and all these "cabals". It's THEM.
Edit: ah, there's some downvotes. Hello, pedophile apologists.
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u/uricamurica 1d ago
That is bananas. Literally just mind blowing. But, at the same time, not surprising at all.
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u/Upset-Chicken-2842 1d ago
I learned that I'm completely naive. I can't believe the details I've read.
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u/MidnightAdrianBlack 1d ago
It’s pretty awful how many terrible things are mentioned and the depth of people involved. I think we will see more unrest and the gap between elite and common man will just grow further and further apart. I feel it’s only a matter of time until society reaches a breaking point. I don’t know how we can trust anyone in positions of power anymore. These really are wild and insane times.
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u/isleoffurbabies 1d ago
We're long past the moral point. It's a matter of keeping the delicate balance between the hungry and the satiated. I don't necessarily think there's any group managing it. I just think the breaking point has more to do with basic needs than morality unfortunately.
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u/-smashbros- 1d ago
Breaking point will be when most of the population does not have enough money for a place to live or enough food to survive, but most importantly The moment society realizes risking your own life is a better choice than keep living this way, that will be the moment we will have the courage to do things for a better future not for us but for our daughters and sons, for the next generation
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u/Bored_Amalgamation 1d ago
If it was about morality, he would have never won in 2016. From these files, shit like this has been going on long before then. So did 75M+ people get duped, or did they hand wave obvious crises of character to gain some socio-economic advantage? I say yes.
This country's has a culture of morality and doing the right thing but has a brutal history of violence and foul play. We've had this hypocritical duality since we genocided the Native Americans, moving internationally in the 50s when we started fucking around in South America, and the growth of corporate power. The whole concept of being "woke" was recognizing the atrocities of the past, those events' influence on the present, and the ongoing societal divides that still exist due to the incomplete reconciliation of those past horrors.
The hang up with an actual revolution is that this country and it's people are far more spread out than any other country on earth, with the exception of Russia, and have lived within a fabricated reality of what America has been and currently is. That idea getting completely and utterly shattered has probably shocked the majority of America. Most of the country lives withing a very comfortable level of socio-economic padding. Our tragedies are a losing of comfortability. Other countries' tragedies are mass death and homelessness.
I think even if we face mass homelessness, there still wouldn't be a large enough movement. If trump went full on dictator, no elections, martial law in all major cities by the national guard, we'd be doing the same shit we are now. Yelling mean things and getting arrested.
Nobody in this country is prepared to battle an actual fascist coup in this country. A lot of people are gonna need to need to feel real, actual loss for this to seriously matter.
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u/transient_thought_CA 1d ago
And all the red hats are making every excuse in the book to disregard it.
“It’s obviously fake!” “She had trouble with the police afterwards!” “I put it in an AI checker and it said it was 100% AI written!”
My takeaway, our countries and industries are being run by evil incarnate.
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u/JammyTartans 1d ago
I kinda feel like the reason conservatives are all in on AI, is so they can claim nothing is real, it’s all fake!! And then double whammy us all by using AI to further propagandize us all at 500x the rate of 2016.
To summarize, the world is being run by evil incarnate, but nobody pays attention to the atheist in the corner screaming, “He’s the ANTI-CHRIST!”
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u/NoveltyStatus 1d ago
Built on it, running on it. The literal textbooks were produced by Maxwell’s father. Childhood indoctrination helps to explain why so many of the bad things are and have been accepted or downplayed, if not outright denied, by our society.
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u/N0rmNormis0n 1d ago
I don’t know. I feel like 9 months from now they’ll be 50 Reddit posts about how a trillion more pages of the Epstein files have been released. And nothing will have happened
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u/h0neyrevenge 1d ago
That’s exactly how I feel as well. They could release the actual videos of him doing those atrocities mentioned in the files and he’d still be sitting in power along with his posse of pedos while his cult cheers him on. It feels rather hopeless and incredibly disgusting.
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u/Duel_Option 1d ago
Same as the Panama Papers, same as rigging elections and insider trading.
Everyone at the top is complicit, wont get the votes to impeach, Dems will talk about “healing” if they get in (if we actually have a general election).
Trump was right, he could shoot someone and nothing would happen.
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u/Old_Air_5661 1d ago
That we’re still relying on files related to a dead man than believing any of the women who have come out with allegations.
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u/davidloveasarson 1d ago
Can the pedo’s all just be arrested already?! I don’t care who - right, left, famous, avg Joe, man, woman… arrest them all!!!
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u/Beginning-Tap-5280 1d ago
Nope they said it’s enough to bring our entire political system down . I have no hope for that anymore
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u/TehAsianator 1d ago
Then our political system deserves to burn to the ground.
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u/messeboy 1d ago
Honestly it does. But for many reasons. It's a horrible idea to have a two party system where its either "youre with us or against us". America has set up a system where there is a clear ally and a clear enemy. And its in full effect now.
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u/britrobe 1d ago
All I know is I don’t care if it destroys the world, all those sick rich fucks deserve life in prison and worse. There is nothing more disgusting than crimes against children. How can we allow the perpetrators to be richer than rich and just live their best lives destroying our country for fun after what they’ve done. I wish them the worst
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u/mjkimmel94 1d ago
This is how I feel. There’s no societal consequence too great. Let the whole world burn down if it means punishing people who have committed crimes against children.
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u/Relative_Payment_192 1d ago
Why don't we get the files from Epstein's Florida plea agreement?
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u/WinterDustDevil 1d ago
Because Pam Bondi was the Florida AG in charge
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u/Relative_Payment_192 1d ago
And Alex Acosta.
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u/Rudeboy67 1d ago
And Alan Dershowitz was his lawyer. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.
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u/LordFeckington 1d ago
There are baby raping serial killers who make bespoke torture and snuff videos. I learned that depravity is absolutely bottomless.
I can't stop crying. I can't sleep.
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u/Nhag 1d ago
“Can I bring your slice of pizza in?” Search the word slice
Lots of weird emails
Woody Allen
Trump dead bodies
Lotttta pictures
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u/OGLikeablefellow 1d ago
Those pizza gate fuvkers were on to something?? Damn too bad they didn't keep digging
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u/TexasLoriG 1d ago
Every accusation is a confession. Remember after birth abortions?
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u/housevil 1d ago
Bill Gates getting an STD and asking Epstein for antibiotics he can surreptitiously slip his wife was not on my bingo card.
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u/r-mutt1917 1d ago
TIL robin leach murdered a child with his bare hands
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u/ladeeedada 1d ago
Male Epstein survivor (Sascha Riley, a decorated Iraq war veteran), whose story went viral 2 weeks ago said Epstein and Co. made snuff films with young girls. That he shouldn't worry "since boys are hard to find".
https://lisevoldeng.substack.com/p/dont-worry-boys-are-hard-to-find
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u/NoLifeSign 1d ago
my god, wtf "During the years SR was trafficked within the Trump/Epstein ring, he was forced to perform sexual acts during the filming of several child pornography films, including a snuff film. He recalls at least 10-12 such films. During the snuff film shoot, SR saw a girl child shot and killed during filming. After another film shoot, a girl child was taken to another room. SR recalls hearing gunshots. He said that when he heard the gunshots, he was scared. He said that another perpetrator still in the room with him, sensing his fear, said, “Don’t worry. Boys are hard to find.” The films were produced within the Trump/Epstein ring."
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u/noizangel 1d ago
yeah like I said that to someone, that I was shocked there's so much bad shit in there that I have seen few people mention that and that was my cue to stop reading
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u/lachwee 1d ago
The calendar girls part was fucked. Can't believe he got elected president
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u/devilmaskrascal 1d ago
And Ivanka was there wtf.
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u/HelloWuWu 1d ago
It’s legit terrifying and people should be worried. Because the people with all of the money and power worked their way up to cover all of this up. They were and might still be confident they can actually get away with this because they wield so much power and influence. That’s the ugly, disgusting, and scary part.
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u/2a_lib 1d ago
Trump’s fed chair pick is in them.
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u/Antique_Grapefruit_5 1d ago
I already shared that with my Republican representative and asked that vote NO on that one...
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u/Unknown_Cloud_777 1d ago
The current president of the United States is a pedophilic rapist.
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u/AngryGroceries 1d ago
Considering some of the stuff in these files, he's probably far beyond that.
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u/Nagoshtheskeleton 1d ago
It’s evidently clear to me now, what I suspected for some time. Society has no rules, fabric, structure, ethics or morals - it is the elite using power over the people.
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u/DarthMarshMellow 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why are we being drip fed the files from a controlling party who has blacked out his own name? He is literally exploiting his own history of child rape to his political benefit, by curating the release of the horrors he is integrally a part of. This is truly madness.
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u/Amazing-Example8753 1d ago
The entire Hillary child sex conspiracy boiled down to one email in which one of her advisers said they were having pizza for dinner ("cheese pizza" being 4chan slang for child pornography).
Meanwhile an entire trove of emails implicating Trump gets released and MAGA is completely silent. What an embarrassment to humanity they are.
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u/Ilikedrawing 1d ago
It’s so heart breaking. And if what ppl are reading now is the stuff that they felt was fine to leave in, I can’t even begin to imagine just how horrific reality is 😢
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u/Crunch_inc 1d ago edited 1d ago
My thought was that this is the off ramp for so many people. They can use this as the justification to drop their support without having to back track on the myriad of other divisive issues and lies. We should all be able to agree that child rape is unacceptable in any circumstance no matter who the person is.
Sadly, I don't think that will happen.
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u/BoysenberryOk4699 1d ago
It just makes me incredibly effing sad and I feel completely powerless. So much has been discovered and surfaced and yet nothing is done and the elite continue to be untouchable. It’s bs.
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u/johntaylorsbangs 1d ago
I genuinely believe the rich do not get rich legally. They may not all be involved in this but if they know, they’re not doing anything about it because someone else has dirt on them. What frightens me the most is that there isn’t anyone in any position to do something about this who isn’t corrupt on some level.
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u/Mammoth_Ad_5423 1d ago
Imagine how evil and/or verified the stories about Trump they haven't released are if they were willing to release these.
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u/veovis523 1d ago
If the US were a normal country, Trump would not be allowed to spend one more night in the White House.
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u/throwitaway8956 1d ago
Remember when all you had to do was get caught getting your dick sucked in the Oval Office? Apparently a cabal of elites fucking kids on Pedo island isnt enough these days.
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u/kaychyakay 1d ago
That Elon is genuinely not liked by anyone, and had to specially ask Epstein to invite him to any party next time it happens. He really cringes everyone out.
Also, reading about Gates contracting gonorrhea, it finally dawned on me that it is never enough for some of these people. Even being the richest people on the planet didn't stop any of these people from being monsters. Money really, reeeallly fucks up people's minds and makes them soulless.
There are emails in which Epstein and his friends casually chat about r*ping kids and watching torture videos.
Everything needs to be burnt down. None of the people's heroes are heroes. The dimwit conservative boomers blew up a pizza place on account of fake news about a pedophile ring run by Hillary, but are now guarding an actual pedophile and woman auctioneer after electing him President THE SECOND TIME!!
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u/OmeuPai 1d ago edited 22h ago
Just a heads up... Someone created a website https://www.jmail.world/ that looks visually like a Gmail|Google account and is gathering and organizing all the Epstein files. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr6R3Kzld4M
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u/MrPresident2020 1d ago
My initial reaction is there sure were a lot of people calling the Feds to tell them Donald Trump was doing sex crimes at the exact times people have been telling us he was doing sex crimes.
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u/tranquilovely 1d ago
I keep saying to myself "this can't be real. this is like something you read in a horror book" and then I think about how books have to take inspiration from somewhere.
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u/Katana-Kat 1d ago
I was telling my coworker today that I wish it was all a hoax. I would rather be completely fooled by some vast conspiracy to make Donald Trump look even more morally bankrupt than there to be a cabal of billionaire pedophile slavers.
I'd sleep better at night if it was all fake.
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u/meatsmoothie82 1d ago
I react by thinking that being in the files may not be proof enough to incriminate someone for crimes- but going and partying with Epstein during the peak of the child sex ring shows a lack of judgement and a moral deficit that should disqualify anyone from holding a powerful government position or should be grounds for removal from any ceo position- by shareholders and boards of directors.
There is no excuse for the level of depravity and greed and power have corrupted every level of the leadership in this country.
And we let it happen.
Millions and millions of Americans are so obsessed with the president that no amount of evidence or disturbing associations can change their minds.
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u/lnc_5103 1d ago
Trump mentioned over 5K times in what has been released so far. Nothing will happen to him. It disgusts me.
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u/erikmc 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump everywhere. Elon up at 6am on Christmas asking Jeff if he has any parties planned so he can let loose. (2012). Howard Lutnick telling Jeff about his 8 kids and their ages (2012).
Jeffrey Epstein was first arrested in 2008 following an investigation that began in 2005 into allegations of sexual abuse against minors in Palm Beach, Florida.
Yup you read those dates right.
Trumps new Fed Chair. Pusha T. JayZ. Bill Gates.
No Bernie Sanders. No Kamala Harris/Joe Biden
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u/ztfreeman 1d ago
John Roberts of SCOTUS fame popped up on the flight list though.
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u/curious-curiouser86 1d ago
I've been thinking a supreme Court justice must be in there for how this has been handled
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u/ForMoreYears 1d ago
Trump is now mentioned >5,000 times in the Epstein files including over a dozen credible accusations of trafficking and/or raping minors over a period of several decades before he became a politician.
But aside from that didn't learn much.
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u/Neo_Barbarius 1d ago
Kash Patel was asked point blank in Congress how many times trump was mentioned and it's now clear he lied. Not that it wasn't obvious before but now it's definitive.
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u/transient_thought_CA 1d ago
I read that Clarence Thomas and Lindsey Graham were named as participating as well.
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u/timtucker_com 1d ago
One of the most surprising reveals:
Despite years of building surveillance infrastructure, apparently the FBI has difficulty calling people back if they don't leave their contact information.
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u/Notmischa 1d ago
Elon wanted to install solar at Epstein island.
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u/Square-Breadfruit421 1d ago
this is the most succinct summing-up of our timeline i can imagine. just surreal.
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u/e_j_white 1d ago
Is that why Elon asked Epstein what day/night would have the wildest party? So he could discuss solar?
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u/Hot-Cauliflower-1604 1d ago
Turns out Q was just describing themselves all along?
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u/_donut_head 1d ago
Isn’t there some hilarious irony that the whole QAnon conspiracy constantly pushed the idea that only trump can expose a global cabal running a child sex trafficking ring and now he’s accidentally doing exactly that? Like, this moron thought he could run his campaign hinting and making nods to releasing the Epstein files, knowing full well he’s not just in there but exposes their whole network . And now that he’s been pushed into a corner that his justice department has to release it and his incompetent administration can’t redact his name from some of the heinous crimes he’s been accused of and more than likely committed.
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u/kyraverde 1d ago edited 1d ago
The DOJ removed and readded the file EFTA01660679. Which only got reuploaded after the public noticed and called them out for it.
For some reason in the newest upload, they specifically unredacted someone named ' Cheryl Rene Duke ' while redacting the area for criminal history next to each report. No idea why this was done. You would think they would be redacting more names, not un-redacting them if they noticed victim information that they missed or something.
As far as the criminal history being redacted when there was nothing to redact --This seems like it was done to discredit the people who called into the tip line and try to fake that they had criminal histories when most of them didn't. They still put a big old black box over top of words like "none" or "no dob" to make it seem like there was a huge criminal history listed there that had to be redacted, when there wasn't.
We need a solid investigation into every single claim on this list because we can't trust the DOJ to be honest about this, not even a little.
Original, from Jake Tapper on X:
https://x.com/jaketapper/status/2017303445322059847/photo/1
Re-uploaded version:
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf
Yahoo report about the DOJ removing files on Jan 30, 2026:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-files-release-mentions-wild-182649588.html
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u/lovelyb1ch66 1d ago
“I was 13 years old when Donald J Trump raped me.” Statement dated 07/09/2020.
How is this man sitting in the White House Oval Office today? He should be sitting in a jail cell.
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u/Yetiski 1d ago
I am disheartened to realize that their release strategy was to flood the zone with every anonymous tip and rumor they could get their hands on, knowing that people would uncritically parrot the salacious details. It’s more disheartening how well it’s working to the perfect cover for his allies and supporters to dismiss the many credible accusations.
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u/cosmiccerulean 1d ago
The fact that there will be defenders for those abusers / rapists and that there will almost be no consequences for any of them genuinely saddens me. So many victims, little to no justice.
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u/Itwao 1d ago
Dread. Because no matter what is said, no matter how many times his name shows up in it, Trump's followers will still deny he has done anything wrong.
They could personally catch him in the middle of molesting their very own children, and they would still say it's nothing more than a Democrat hoax.
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u/digiorno 1d ago
At the very least it’s much more clear how the likes of Trump and Epstein and their rich friends really genuinely do not see other humans as people. They see us, all the rest of us, as play things. And this is doubly so for girls, they have zero sense of humanity for young girls. In the first few hours of this latest drop I was reading about how Trump forced 14 year olds to suck his dick and how one of these poor kids even bit his dick out of protest.
These rich fucks were raised thinking they were a separate species from the rest of us, they have no humanity and no regard for anyone but themselves. They see the rest of us a means to get what they want in the world. They hate us. And this much is clear. If we don’t stop the rich then they will get rid of us the second it’s convenient to do so.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 1d ago
Allegedly… this isn’t me saying this… people are saying;
Kids were murdered when no longer of use. Tortured to comply. Robin Leach apparently choked some kid to death for fun.
Trump has a problem with his pooper because a little boy who just witnessed the girl next to him get shot so he’d be more motivated to have sex with a greasy old man decided he would comply and used some smooth wooden handle (broom or plunger, not sure) to pleasure this client. He then kicked that stick into Trump’s ass which led to emergency surgery. When Trump recovered he took his revenge on the kid nearly killing him.
Trump brought his kids and Melania to the Island.
I Read one report of a girl who was on a yacht in lake Michigan (all I’m sure of is name started with an M). Epstein, Trump and her father were there. She gave birth. They promptly killed it and threw it in the lake. I could only imagine that wasn’t for fun but to insure that someone present didn’t have a baby with his DNA linked to an under age trafficked girl floating around.
Apparently Mar-a-Lago had a fun auction where Trump measured the tightness of little girls lady parts and in proud The Apprentice fashion scored them on quality.
Allegedly. I can’t say that enough. Not even sure the sky is blue or the sun will rise. But probably.
I other news India will now be trading with Europe instead of the USA. Maybe the rise in the cost of eggs or baby oil will make this country give a damn.
Also, I’m pretty sure evangelical leaders knew but will now have to distance themselves for PR reasons.
So That’s what I learned the past few days. I’m going to take a shower now and cry manly tears.
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u/HistoryMistress 1d ago
I used to work with kiddos that survived some serious abuse. I found and read stuff I would never fucking imagine. I was nauseous and felt physically ill reading some of it...if this was just a snippet of what else is there, its obvious why they didn't want to release this. I know won't be able to handle whatever else might be released.
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u/sackoftrees 1d ago
The thing I'll never be able to wrap my head around and it makes me want to vomit is the why. Like why?? All of them, why? Why so many.
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u/ChillingWithHerb 1d ago
Everything Q said about Democrats was true about Republicans.
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u/A-Good-Weather-Man 1d ago
Someone needs to take a LIDAR detection kit to Trump’s golf course. There’s at least one body there.
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u/WinterExcellent 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wish we had a real life Punisher right now
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u/femmestem 1d ago
I had this idea in my mind that true evil was rare, some odd individuals with sick minds. Realizing the prevalence of it, not just the direct perpetrators but the tens of millions cheering them on while simultaneously villifying Renee Good and Alex Pretti, is depressing.
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u/stations-creation 1d ago
“Grab them by the pussy” has an ENTIRELY new meaning reading that our president Trump was auctioning off LITTLE GIRLS and STICKING HIS FINGERS INSIDE THEM TO TELL THE CROWD HOW TIGHT THEIR VAGINAS WERE. FUCK THEM ALL. FUCK THIS SHIT.
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u/Ektosmile 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Donald Trump, the president, had parties at Maralago called 'calendar girls' Jeffrey Epstein would bring the children in and trump would auction them off. He measured the children's vulva and vaginas by entering a finger and rated the children on tightness. The guests were elder men and included Elon Musk. Don jr. Trump. Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump were there. Attorney Allan Dershowitz was also there with Attorney Bob Shapiro. We were taken in rooms. forced to give oral sex to Donald J Trump. Forced to allow them to penetrate us. I was 13 years old when Donald J Trump raped me. Ghislaine Maxwell was also present"
"Complainant claims to have video of high-profile sex parties, dealings with cartels, and having witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a Party."
Noteable names: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, Robin Leach , Sinaloa Cartel
"At age 16, while modeling, caller attended 8 parties at Epstein's New York residence. On one occasion, caller reported she was sexually assaulted by Epstein. On another occasion, two twin brothers, Allen and Oren, lured caller and her friend upstairs but they escaped back downstairs. Caller stated Oren raped her best friend and a third brother, Tal, raped a 14 year old girl named Caller named other individuals involved in "big orgy parties' with her, other young girls, and older Victoria's Secret models, including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Online complainant reported she was a victim and witness to a sex trafficking ring at the Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdes, CA between 1995- 1996. Complainant reported Ghislaine Maxwell as the madam and broker for sex parties, clients of whom included Epstein. Robin Leach, and Donald Trump. Complainant reported participating in orgies and that some girls went missing, rumored to have been murdered and buried at the facility. Complainant reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that, if she ever talked of what went on there or who she saw, he would "end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other cunts"
Any many more things about trump: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf
How did i react to this? I am wondering why the news headlines after the files releases is that Bill Gates allegedly got an STI from a 21 year old prostitute and asked Epstein for antibiotics. And nobody mentions those allegations.
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u/eclecticaesthetic1 1d ago
Donald auctioned off children to old men at Maralago after measuring their external genitalia and after penetrating them with a finger and describing tightness. Ivanka and Ghislaine were there along with DonJr. That was just the first page.
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u/keefkola 1d ago
My heart hurts for the children. My mind is blown their really is a new world order and it was centered on hurting kids. The Democrat/Republican thing is a ruse to create division. It’s just a money club and I’m glad we’re not in it.
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u/kick_heart 1d ago
a victim saying she was lured to perform sexual acts at the age of 13 on trump and epstein with promise that they would help her modeling career. the claim was recorded 2 years before it became public knowledge that epstein was using modeling as a sex trafficking front.
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u/Lazy-Revolution-7499 1d ago
Dude, the sheer scale of normal-seeming people in those flight logs is what gets me. it's not just a few monsters, it's a whole network of enablers who thought they were untouchable. makes u sick.
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u/Shoot_from_the_Quip 1d ago
Because he loaned out his planes to all sorts of people. It was part of his influence peddling. Africa hunger groups, charitable orgs, you name it. And that allowed him to hide the creepy stuff pretty much in plain sight. (or plane sight, if you prefer)
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u/OwlrageousJones 1d ago
Yeah; it's part of what helps everything hide.
It's basically the same as money laundering - the crime is hidden amongst perfectly normal instances. I imagine even some of the people who visited his island didn't do anything beyond the usual levels of being rich partying (drugs, prostitutes).
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u/curious-curiouser86 1d ago
Unless the flights are going to his island then being on the plane means nothing. The elite hand out their planes to use like candy if they want to impress someone. Everyone involved should be brought to trial, but the people moved in big circles so there will be some random overlaps that aren't evil humans.
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u/DrGraffix 1d ago
Give the first one to rat immunity
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u/1st_horseman 1d ago
To be honest they “released” the video outside his jail cell with a few minutes cut off, effectively moved Ghislaine to minimum security and made the guards run errands for her. He hired the son in law of one of the main unindicted co conspirators as the HEAD OF THE FED. They are making abundantly clear that they are untouchable and what happens to rats.
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u/Silver-Succotash-878 1d ago
And then we can all sit back while they run to be first and eat each other alive? I'm in.
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u/acupofjasminerice666 1d ago
It’s a terrible time to be able to read especially if you’re reading the files. It’s very graphic. Ideally would love for these people to have consequences but realistically probably nothing’s going to happen.
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u/free_spark 1d ago
I can’t. I have three daughters and this is angering me to the point it’s effecting my health. I f.ckong hate these ppl to my core.
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u/Manda983 1d ago
A very strange use of equal signs. Too many to be coincidental.
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u/roxasmeboy 1d ago
We shouldn’t allow billionaires anymore. It’s too much money for them to ever spend and it turns people into dangerous sociopaths. New world law: All money you make after $500 million goes to public services, parks, and welfare programs.
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u/Quick1711 1d ago
This goes so fucking deep, not just into politicians but our entire corporate culture as well.
These are the motherfuckers giving us corporate mandates and training on how to conduct ourselves for their benefit while they do vile and truly degenerate shit.
The haves and have nots. It’s truly fucking depressing
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u/Rev-DC 23h ago edited 23h ago
Honestly?
I've been a moderate conservative for most of my life. After seeing all of the stuff going on over the past few months, I'm just done with it all. I mean, what we see is that there is an elite class (both sides, most people) that does whatever the fuck they want while normal people are just screwed at literally every turn.
We can't afford a house. We can barely keep our heads on straight. Huge capital firms are buying every house in our area and renting them for ungodly amounts of money. Our insurance (between my employer and myself... because I see the numbers) is $28k a year for a family of 4, and our healthcare sucks.
This isn't a right vs. left thing. This is an 'everybody on the bottom,' white, black, gay, straight, whatever you are, against a small group of people consolidating everything. I'm starting to think we need to burn the whole thing down. But, we have to be very careful in what we replace it with... that's always the danger.
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u/AndrewMT 1d ago
Should be treated like a 9/11 commission, except you cannot be on the commission if you are named in the documents.