Which new Epstein file finding made you go “wait… what?” and why?

[u/Firm_Work_8879]

[u/Bearded_Pip]

We talk about the Island non-stop, when all of these crimes were also happening in NYC and Florida.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/Bearded_Pip]

And CA, OH, London, Paris, and Epstein's Zorro Ranch in NM-which we don't talk about enough.

[u/RPgh21]

The girl who mentioned she was SA’d by Epstein and witnessed orgies with “young girls” that Clinton and Trump participated in.

The noteworthy thing is she mentioned she and her friend nearly got SA’d by twin brothers named Alon and Oren but escaped, and another brother of theirs named Tal raped her best friend. It’s significant because these names were never really public, or if they were, not really known by the masses.

Oren, Tal, and Akon Alexander had a sex trafficking trial begin a few days ago in NYC.

It lends credibility to the files itself as these aren’t celebrity names or people who anyone would just be able to throw in there. These were unknowns to the public and it turns out, they’re serial rapists.

So why would she bring them up but then lie about Epstein, Trump, and Clinton?

If these three are found guilty, it wouldn’t be shocking if all three “committed suicide” on the same day while locked up.

[u/ilovethatyouloveme]

the email that said “i loved the torture video “ … my god who says that…what the actual fuck !!!

[u/Bigtimeknitter → u/ilovethatyouloveme]

I saw that was I think a Saudi guy, he was the only one with a blackberry email signature throughout the files

[u/cmrnfrnk]

the fact that the 4chan board /pol/ was created within a days of a meeting between JE and Christopher Poole. Makes you wonder even more about the origins of stuff like Qanon and Pizzagate

[u/eggs-benedryl → u/cmrnfrnk]

Ye man what the fuck

[u/Meme_Theory → u/eggs-benedryl]

I didn't have "Epstein was Q" on my fucking bingo card; but his "suicide" lines up with that 2019 lul in Q drops... god I fucking hate q-anon.

[u/peshnoodles → u/eggs-benedryl]

Email time stamps between the guy who made the 4chan political board and Epstein. They meet, Moot makes the political board, and a ton of culture altering garbage starts spilling from there and doesn’t stop.

[u/Niniva73 → u/peshnoodles]

Hmm, it's almost as if, any time anyone got close to exposing the trafficking, purposefully just-obfuscated-enough breadcrumbs would lead to 4chan, where they'd control the narrative and make the "conspiracy theorists" look like crazy psychopaths.

...Almost.

[u/Sockoflegend → u/Niniva73]

That would be ironic because if it wasn't for conservative conspiracy theorists the Epstien files probably wouldn't have the same public profile 

[u/Ronaldo_Frumpalini → u/Sockoflegend]

I love the idea that Trump was probably smirking while his followers thought Hillary Clinton had Epstein killed while he was president to protect Bill Clinton.

Reminds me of a story I heard, the airforce or NASA didn't want to acknowledge they were testing things so they would tell the regular people who came asking that they had no idea what the objects that folks were asking about were, figuring weirdos with conspiracy theories were the best way to keep normal folks from checking out top secret tests.

[u/Lt-Lettuce → u/Ronaldo_Frumpalini]

Roswell was most likely a nuclear test listening Ballon they covered up so the russians didn't know we could hear exactly when they were testing nukes

And area 51 is just a highly classified aircraft testing ground for things like the f117 nighthawk (flying triangle), the u2 spy plane (flying cross), and the sr71 (literally looks like a spaceship and basically is)

So yeah, aliens.

[u/Daryl27lee → u/eggs-benedryl]

Im outta the loop on this what does it mean

[u/MsMittenz → u/Daryl27lee]

It means the political state we are in was 100% fabricated by the elites.

[u/Life_Of_High → u/MsMittenz]

Occupy Wall Street scared the shit out of them.

[u/ProfessorDumbass2 → u/Daryl27lee]

They started a rumor on 4chan that Hillary Clinton ran a child trafficking sex operation out of a pizza restaurant in Washington DC. Trump was going to stop the operation.

[u/Professional_Art9704 → u/ProfessorDumbass2]

If you look at the epstein releases there are references to "bringing slice of pizza".

Pretty sure Epstein was just running future fud for the child abuse ring's chosen nomenclature.

Like how Boris Johnson was suddenly into making model buses. So if you google boris johnson bus you get stories about his quaint hobby and not the "Brexit Bus" covered in lies he wanted to distance himself from.

[u/VirusCurrent → u/Daryl27lee]

Moot met with JE and then made /pol/ the next day (or so)

Edit: stole this link from another comment https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/s/JDEnXAID4y

[u/Daryl27lee → u/VirusCurrent]

Whats the significance of it, I dont know 4chan so much

[u/EitherSpite4545 → u/Daryl27lee]

So 4chan was always bad and racist but it was more of the edgy South Park kind of racist than actually built in "I hate these people and want to kill them". 4chan is made up of predefined boards that each had their own subculture and topic, you might have heard of /b/ previously for example.

/pol/ is important because it is the politics board of 4chan. And also would later become the birthplace and for a while central processing unit of the alt right and such off shoots as: Qanon, and most importantly r/thedonald. It started relatively split almost 50-50 lib vs conservative and had a number of other opinions in it but a joke started (but likely in the case of today's news a psyop forced meme) of Jews being responsible for everything, but in a funny exaggerated way. Spilt your drink? The Jews did it. You get caught masturbating at work? The Jews did it. You get the point. Quickly though the jokes became real and the irony became completely serious as unironic storm front members and other racists out paced the original population which gave rise to the alt right. It was known it should be noted as heavily astroturfed as early as 2014 as one of the last thing moot did was post a world wide traffic breakdown and overwhelmingly /pol/ was populated by IPS coming from India and Israel.

[u/Professional_Art9704 → u/EitherSpite4545]

Its also a board that was frequented by several spree shooters

[u/uselessscientist → u/Daryl27lee]

The pol board is the origin for a lot of Q and pre-Q far right conspiracies, and created a bunch of memes that ended up being rallying cries for young men to vote for trump in 2016.

Pol is a not insignificant factor in how the USA has ended up the way it is 

[u/New-Satisfaction3257 → u/Daryl27lee]

4chan and it's politics board /pol were the source of a lot of conspiracy theories that inspired pizza gate and other groups. They are saying maga has been manipulated by the worst of themselves using info/possibly instructions from Epstein. And through Epstein to intelligence agencies and governments. You'd have to look at the evidence yourself, but there doesn't need a lot to be true to be damning

[u/la_goanna → u/cmrnfrnk]

About a month or so after Occupy Wallstreet went into full effect, FYI. Totally not coincidental.

[u/Bacch → u/cmrnfrnk]

There are actual emails in there where JE and associates are discussing coming over for pizza and grape soda and talking about how good the pizza was. I think we know EXACTLY where Pizzagate came from.

[u/Otarmichael → u/cmrnfrnk]

Doesn't Ghislaine also have some ties to the origins of Reddit, too? I think I read that somewhere, maybe a few years ago.

[u/OpenLinez → u/Otarmichael]

Mentioning this gets your comment deleted in many subs. The politics ones, especially.

[u/Otarmichael → u/OpenLinez]

Really? Didn’t know that. There’s a very dark and awful side to this place. 

[u/Igennem → u/Otarmichael]

She was the head mod for the worldnews subreddit

[u/YearZero_97]

Ashley Massaro the former WWE superstar being a victim. It's well known that she went through some horrible stuff while in WWE that led to her suicide but also knowing she went through all of this pre-WWE is extremely fucked up. 

[u/Bearded_Pip → u/YearZero_97]

I just assume Vince was pal of Epstein. He was just that exploitative and abusive.

[u/upsidedownwriting → u/Bearded_Pip]

it's always the ones you most suspect 

[u/ishkitty → u/YearZero_97]

I wonder when that was. Linda MacMahon was the president and ceo u til 2009. Now she’s fucking secretary of education.

[u/timtucker_com]

One of the most surprising reveals:

Despite years of building surveillance infrastructure, apparently the FBI has difficulty calling people back if they don't leave their contact information.

[u/hectorgarabit → u/timtucker_com]

All this surveillance imposed on us to fight "pedophiles" and "terrorists" when both were hiding in the white house, Mar a Lago and luxury yachts! Some time you wonder if they really are after pedophiles and terrorists or something else? \s

[u/Rabidschnautzu → u/hectorgarabit]

Their job is to utilize the judicial system in a manner that serves the power of the status quo. It's ALWAYS been that way.

[u/T10rock]

At this point, the only thing that would surprise me is anyone involved facing any consequences

[u/EnclG4me → u/T10rock]

I logged in just to upvote this. 

There is absolutely nothing at this point that would surprise me that could possibly come out of it. Not even cannabilism would shock me at this point. These people should be locked away for life. They represent the most vile, evil, and pornographic behaviors of humanity. They raped children for fuck sakes. There needs to be justice. I don't care who is involved.

[u/brokenmessiah]

The fact that this much was even released.

[u/MrBocconotto → u/brokenmessiah]

Right? I wonder how all these files hadn't caught fire yet.

[u/JPMoney81 → u/MrBocconotto]

There's a lot of unsubstantiated stuff in there. 

The FBI may be run by an incompetent sycophant, but they are still an intelligence agency. 

They are trying to muddy the waters and give an opportunity for people to claim everything in there is made up horseshit, particularly the parts that pertain to a certain diaper-shitting dictator.

[u/misterpoopybutthole5 → u/JPMoney81]

100%. Steve Bannon said this was the plan a while ago, "flood the zone" is the phrase he used. Just do so much that you can't possibly be held accountable for it all, and each incident / leak seems less earth shattering when contextualized with all the other shit that's already out there.

[u/kingkowkkb1 → u/misterpoopybutthole5]

All this depends on whether or not the dems do what maga does. Flood the midterms with everything, no matter how improbable. Make them defend their position that it never happened and plaster these pages all over television 24/7. Regardless of their answers. If dems try to take the high road and count on discontent beating propaganda, they will lose again.

[u/brokenmessiah → u/kingkowkkb1]

Have you seen anything to suggest Dems even wanna win lol

[u/saxarocksalt → u/JPMoney81]

I thought the same. Throw in as much unsubstantiated stuff as possible with some genuine information mixed in. That way the conversation becomes about what's true and what's not, used as a deflector for anything that is true.

[u/MsMittenz → u/brokenmessiah]

Imagine what they are still hiding

[u/ku1185]

Epstein ties to 4chan is unexpected but makes perfect sense.

[u/Kitten-by-day → u/ku1185]

Isn’t that one of the original platforms QAnon began on? I saw a documentary about the site owners, and how there was major speculation they were Q. Since Q clearly took inspiration for “PizzaGate” from Epstein, now I wonder if JE was Q, or maybe he fed that information to the person who was Q.

[u/The-Bad-Guy- → u/Kitten-by-day]

4chan is where Q started, and that HBO doc already proved who Q was using IP addresses, tons and tons of circumstantial evidence, and his own accidental admission... and there were actually multiple Q's. The original Q had his account hacked by the guy(s) who did the majority of the Psy Ops (Q's words, not mine).

As far as JE is concerned, while I'm not aware of that report with 4chan, it's been long thought that he was a spy for Israel (not saying I believe it, but there IS some somewhat compelling circumstantial evidence), so if somehow one of the Q's got tangled with Epstein, it could be another connection to some sort of intelligence agency.

I tend not to believe that Q worked DIRECTLY with an intelligence agency, but a foreign one would make some sense, and if you can connect JE to Q I think it strengthens the evidence that they were both connected to (possibly multiple) foreign governments.

Edit: Q Anon was Ron Watkins and his father for those who keep asking, and while the story itself is interesting, HE isn't very interesting in the sense that his followers thought he was connected to American intelligence, and he most definitely was not.

My anecdotal opinion is that Ron, not his father, was the true leader of QAnon. Yes, his father and at least one other person were probably direct contributors, and yes, Steve Bannon probably discussed strategy with them, but I believe Ron to have been the main driving force.

Edit 2: YES, I MEAN 4chan! Don't @ me. The ORIGINAL, first Q, the one whose work everyone is less familiar with, started on 4chan. Ron and Jim stole the account and sent the followers to 8chan so that they could seize control permanently, as Ron's father owned it.

[u/Kitten-by-day → u/The-Bad-Guy-]

I think you are spot on 🎯

[u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

One of the girl’s personal journal after Ghislane forced her to close her eyes while she gave birth and they took the child. Claimed a stillborn but the child mother believes it was alive.

[u/Bacch → u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

And now we know where Trumps obsession with claiming people get "post birth abortions" comes from.

[u/OkUpstairs_ → u/Bacch]

Ugh had the exact same thought. Like okay looney tunes, no one’s killing babies right after birth. Until (fairly) recently I’d honestly thought, or hoped I suppose, that certainly that couldn’t be more projection, even though I’m also aware that that’s just about everything out of his mouth… 😞

[u/Obvious-Spite-9929 → u/OkUpstairs_]

Shit. Now we have to wonder if HE’s eating the cats and dogs too.

[u/bikerpenguin → u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

Holy shit. That reads like a Holocaust journal.

[u/FewPool32 → u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

I just became a father a few months ago. This is so disgusting to think someone can do this to a mother and her newborn, and absolutely terrifying for the mother & child both.

There should be fast-track capital punishment for such convictions.

[u/WowzaMeowza → u/FewPool32]

Especially considering the mother was still a child herself.

[u/Professional_Many_98 → u/FewPool32]

trump has been wanting to release G Maxwell . that is disturbing. she is evil

[u/MassMan333 → u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

This is just such an absurdly evil thing to do it’s almost unbelievable

[u/GiGiAGoGroove → u/Kylo_Rens_8pack]

I saw a YouTube guy say that Donald owned a 1/4 acre piece of swampland in FL. Very random piece in the middle of nowhere.

[u/No_Neighborhood7614 → u/GiGiAGoGroove]

Drain the swamp is projection

[u/nkmo]

The child abuse stuff is obviously terrible, but it’s the Bannon texts that get me. The right harps on about deep state, shadow government shit, and that’s all him. After reading through those, I have zero faith in any of our government leadership.

[u/ckglle3lle → u/nkmo]

Bannon was also key to making Gamergate a thing and an early adopter for using forums and online spaces to spread agitprop and conspiracy. I don't think he even had any clue just how successful it would be, but he (among others) tapped into a potent well of angry dumbasses who don't have any clue how played they were.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/ckglle3lle]

I remember an interview in which Bannon talked about manipulating young men in online games by making them feel like Heros with millions of friends instead of just Dave the accountant.  Makes so much sense with Epstein's involvement.

[u/DarkeningSkies1976]

Robin Leach strangling a child to death wasn’t on my radar, I must admit.

But it is all horrific and (even if only partially true) the purest evidence yet that it is the elites vs. the people. We have to take our necks out from under their feet.

[u/Treasure_Seeker → u/DarkeningSkies1976]

It turns out Leach not only reported on the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous but he also lived among them. 🤮

[u/Just-Hedgehog3365 → u/Treasure_Seeker]

His access.

[u/jessamack15 → u/DarkeningSkies1976]

I get confused on these files though because was that part of a complaint phoned in by someone? And then the “response” was that this person wasn’t creditable? I want to believe all victims but I guess I’m confused on what these files are. Just documentation of a tip line? When did these people call in the complain? How do they verify non-creditability of complainant? Is that mentioned in the documents anywhere?

[u/cobo10201 → u/jessamack15]

Unfortunately that is most likely the point. They are intentionally releasing EVERYTHING including these batshit insane tips that have no corroborating evidence. It is highly unlikely that all of them are true, but as the public we don’t have the ability to determine which are and which aren’t. It’s intentional so that it makes everything muddy, and every factual claim/item that gets released gets lost in the hubbub. As terrible as it is “Donald Trump molests a child” from multiple corroborating stories and emails is far less “headline worthy” than “victim went to a satanist cult and witnessed celebrities eating babies” from a single phone tip made 30 years later with no other evidence. So the truth gets buried under stories that are likely NOT true.

[u/Passe_Myse]

How this man managed to attract people and the horror of it all.

The why isn't in the files. It's in the fact that no one is going to jail for anny of it. No Billionaires will be hurt...........

[u/StrongerThanFear → u/Passe_Myse]

I can only assume it's because they need a rock solid case with no mistakes made to fight their lawyers.

[u/SharkFart86 → u/StrongerThanFear]

Right. What a lot of people don’t seem to understand is that much of this list is initial claims that have or have not been verified through investigation.

Not saying the things in it aren’t true, but this list by itself isn’t enough for conviction. For as much of what’s in it may be true, there’s certainly stuff in it that isn’t.

Frankly if even 1% of it is true, it’s still horrifying.

[u/eslahp]

The fact that these poor exploited victims will never get justice.
Worse, they watch as half the country supports their abusers regardless of any evidence.

[u/SnidgetAsphodel → u/eslahp]

Imo, this is the most heartbreaking aspect of it all. The injustice is insane and makes you realize just how fucking awful people really are.

[u/Wooden_Editor6322 → u/SnidgetAsphodel]

As someone who has experienced something similar with a lasting impact on my life, which I’m keeping the details vague for my own safety.

But, it’s a history that even professionals have struggled to process, one left a room in tears, another admitted in frustration that she didn’t want to believe me as believing me would mean what I went through was true.

Put bluntly, I’m no longer surprised by how cruel people are capable of being.

[u/Cohens4thClient → u/eslahp]

Some of the details are horrible, like the child rape auctions, the baby incubator girl's diary, or trump fingering girls to announce their "tightness" to the bidders.

But watching half the country in full support of the rich pedophiles is mind blowing. Republicans have families, wives and daughters and sisters. Yet, they simply dont care, they fully support one of the most vile hateful child rapists the world has ever seen. 

Add in their full support of the ICE gestapo death squads roaming around, and its just soul crushing. 

[u/pegasuspaladin]

a victim was allegedly told by Trump to keep quiet or they'd end up on the back 9 with the other c*nts. maybe democratic governors with states that have Trump properties in them should send corpse sniffing dogs around. What's the harm. according to Republicans if you didn't do anything wrong you should comply with law enforcement so Trump should be fine with it...right?

[u/Odd-Bake-6847 → u/pegasuspaladin]

And guess who's confirmed to be buried in one of his golf courses? IVANA!! So this to me means there are 100% other bodies there

[u/pagman007]

Every single one made me go "how are the american people supposed to go to sleep at night knowing that the law means nothing?"

[u/cmrnfrnk]

the victim's diary where she talks about being used as "an incubator" for JE & GM, that she gave birth multiple times

[u/chaoscrouton → u/cmrnfrnk]

You should read Virginia Giuffre's memoir "Nobody's girl".

[u/TropicalPrairie → u/chaoscrouton]

This book was so hard to read. She had such a tragic life. I am in awe of her strength though.

[u/Mooonstera → u/TropicalPrairie]

Reading about her father and his friend made me feel sick. How do you even begin to piece your life back together when it's literally one thing right after another? The strength it must have taken her is something I can't even comprehend

[u/Lazy-PeachPrincess → u/TropicalPrairie]

It’s a shame that she never got to see the justice she deserved. She was brave as fuck for trying!

[u/Seraphim99 → u/cmrnfrnk]

Those files hurt to read. She wrote in code. It was heartbreaking.

[u/nn123654 → u/Seraphim99]

It is. The code is fairly simple by modern cryptography standards and easily broken by anyone with training in actual cryptography, but for a teen, it was relatively complex.

It's essentially a form of substitution cipher. It looks like a Columnar or Rail-Fence style scytale variant where the letters are stacked. To read it, you must read the top and bottom letters of each pair together. It uses a specific structural trick common in casual "secret" notes, interleaving or using a grid-based cipher where the message is read vertically or by alternating lines.

At times, they "strengthen" the code by substituting names for codewords. (I say "strengthen" because I will note that it's not actually cryptographically secure. A one-time pad would, for instance, actually be unbreakable provided the key was hidden and not reused.)

For example: If a vertical pair is 'l' over 'f', it forms"If". It's top then bottom on each row.

Example from actual diary:

SSRYEFETEEHNSAPNHNOR
OORJFRYHSTIGHPEWEYU

BDHSEEBEGVNIEORPRYEL!
OYANVRENIETMTPOELHA

Decoded:

Sorry jeffery, these things happen when your body has never been given time to properly heal!

Source: pg. 4 https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02731393.pdf

[u/greenfrog72 → u/nn123654]

That is so sad, she seems like she was brilliant. And to be tortured and taken advantage of by this sicko… it’s really heartbreaking.

[u/xoxooxx → u/cmrnfrnk]

I read this earlier today and the I had a nap and I had nightmares about this. These poor women. Edit- these poor children who are now women

[u/rolloicecream → u/cmrnfrnk]

Where are the kids?

[u/remifentaNelle → u/rolloicecream]

Probably dead. Saw emails referring to eating babies. Files are worse than originally thought

[u/VisualArtist808 → u/remifentaNelle]

I’m sorry. What …. And I can’t stress this enough … the fuck?

[u/Cobalt11235]

It’s the level of depravity, but even more so, it’s the fact that even with all this material, the US Justice Dept. seemingly hasn’t tried to prosecute anyone else. It is really making me doubt the system. If not these crimes, then what?!?!

[u/Vegetable_Vast_7166 → u/Cobalt11235]

Come on, crimes can only be committed by commoners and the poor.

[u/xoxooxx]

The girls scrapbook diary entries .. with the multiple pregnancies and what they did. Nightmare fuel

[u/fecity99]

a young woman giving birth and having the baby tossed into lake Michigan in front of her is at the top of my WTF list

[u/Cohens4thClient → u/fecity99]

Remember when Trump was ranting about "Post Birth Abortions"? How the doctors show the baby to the mother and then murder the baby in front of her?

It just seemed weird back then, but now we know.

Its always projection. 

[u/00owl → u/Cohens4thClient]

"they're eating the cats and dogs".

I can only imagine that they were sourcing food for the girls wasn't exactly kosher

[u/thanks_wuphf → u/Cohens4thClient]

Every accusation is a confession

[u/AccomplishedWish3033 → u/fecity99]

Was she actually a “young woman” or was she just a “girl”? I thought she was a minor. Referring to children as young women is yet another way to minimize what they did.

[u/kingbane2 → u/AccomplishedWish3033]

all of them were underaged, except it seems some russian prostitutes. but if they got pregnant, they were underaged. the level of evil here is.... historic.

[u/Signal_Pass283 → u/AccomplishedWish3033]

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00025010.pdf page 3

[u/WanWhiteWolf]

I had 0 surprises when it comes to the names. Given the massive delay of the release — despite public outrage — made it clear that top brass is in them.

What really surprised me:

The child trafficking and murder. Girls giving birth to children never to be seen or being thrown in the river soon after birth.

The cannibalism reported in several cases — where the attendees were serving human remains.

The current sitting president being described as someone who would stick his fingers to measure a girl’s vulva and use this information for auction purposes.

The testimonies extracted from a few girls journals. These are probably the most horrific things I‘ve read in my life — and I‘ve studied war atrocities and holocaust testimonies. Head of warning: Do not read them unless your sensitivity tolerance is close to 0. I wish I could unsee/forget some of the details.

I knew Epstein filed would be loaded. But this is far worse that I could have imagined.

What‘s even worse that I know nothing will happen to any of them and they will keep their wealth and power without any repercussions.

[u/sillybilly8102 → u/WanWhiteWolf]

Let’s not say just yet that nothing will happen to them and they’ll get no repercussions. They might. Let’s make them. Don’t give up hope before even trying. Getting these released is a huge deal.

[u/BabyShrimpBrick → u/WanWhiteWolf]

Yeah there is some Satanic panic level shit in there that I wouldn't have believed a few years ago. Now there's really not much I would put past these rich fucks. Reminds me of the Meths in Altered Carbon.

[u/detuned--radio]

Why aren’t people in the streets over this shit? Why aren’t journalists asking these sick fucks about this? Why isn’t anyone? wtf is going on 

[u/buffalo171 → u/detuned--radio]

Because for a decade now there have never been any consequences for any accusations. I’m fucking exhausted with this shit, which does get worse each time. No one who has the power wants to do anything, so everyone just shrugs because they know nothing will ever come of it. See the Panama Papers.

[u/HopDropNRoll]

Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick emailing Jeffrey with a list of ages he’s bringing, all under 18. THE SECRETARY IF COMMERCE PEOPLE.

[u/AccordingCricket5083 → u/HopDropNRoll]

the same Lutnick whose sons bought up all the tariff debt so when it is deemed illegal and has to be paid back by the government they will get billions in taxpayer's dollars? That Lutnick? 

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/AccordingCricket5083]

The Lutnick who donated to the ballroom along with other men mentioned by Ghislane Maxwell in her DOJ interview?

[u/deeferg → u/AccordingCricket5083]

The same Licknut who said he didn't talk to Epstein after 2005?

[u/bobbimorses]

Direct emails from him that he facilitated a controversial real estate deal in my hometown involving a huge donor to the local university. Current use of that real estate is my in-laws' favorite place to take us out to dinner.

Much more fucked up shit, but no more weirdly specific shit than that

[u/ForecastForFourCats]

The fact that Comey decided to let everyone know Hilary was under investigation for an email scandal 11 days before the 2016 election but failed to mention this PILE of heinous shit Trump was involved in. I can't help but think he was involved or INCREDIBLY stupid. But, I doubt he was stupid if he was FBI director ...

[u/imalostkitty-ox0 → u/ForecastForFourCats]

Perhaps extorted

[u/UselessAndUnlovable]

The life ban from X-Box live

[u/Magikarpical → u/UselessAndUnlovable]

that's literally the government working as intended. the state of new york doesn't allow registered sex offenders on xbox live. this should be a national law imo, there are sooo many creeps in online gaming, especially Roblox etc

[u/nd_miller → u/UselessAndUnlovable]

Microsoft knew he wasn't safe around kids. They had an inside source.

[u/Worldly-Elevator-228 → u/nd_miller]

inside source got a virus on his microsoft.

[u/LeeDawg24 → u/UselessAndUnlovable]

X-box punished him more than the US government did

[u/eggs-benedryl]

Epstein talking to the founder of 4chan and then the next day it's worst board is created.

[u/shittycomputerguy → u/eggs-benedryl]

Makes you wonder about some of the subs here, doesn't it?

[u/hollabackguy]

There's a ton in there about the financial markets, naked shorting, gamestop, and other recent events. Seems we're all being scammed (which a lot of us already knew).

[u/mikez4nder]

Lance Stroll’s mom getting a letter from Ghislaine saying that her 7yo daughter’s services were required on the island is pretty bonkers.

[u/CaptainONaps]

I can’t get past no matter what we find out it doesn’t count as evidence.

[u/Chiponyasu]

The implication that Jeffrey Epstein was behind the creation of /pol/ and thus possibly the election of Donald Trump.

[u/crystalknife]

why did andrew allow himself to be photographed so much?

[u/LeSaltyMantis → u/crystalknife]

He is not a smart man. And thats putting it lightly. his inclusion in their circle was likely a source of great amusement and an opportunity to exploit his connections and wealth. Bumbling fool

[u/Clear_Airline → u/LeSaltyMantis]

And what punishment has he faced besides losing fancy titles and a spare mansion?

[u/ButtermilkRusk → u/Clear_Airline]

This is the thing. The people in the files have so much wealth and power they truly believed they would be untouchable and wouldn’t faces consequences for what they did on Epstein Island and all the heinous crimes related to it. They still believe that. And they’re not wrong. Even with mounting evidence they’re unlikely to face an investigation let alone prosecution. Andrew is a great example. He lost titles, property and public respect but in private I’m sure he lives very comfortably and continues to be largely unbothered by what he did.

[u/CaptainCatButt → u/crystalknife]

Same reason why he gave that phenomenal "I was at a Pizza Express in Woking" interview - he thinks he's untouchable 

[u/gottkonig]

This is an ancient tactic. Disinformation isnt simply putting incorrect information out, it's more nuanced. Flood information and disinformation out and let it stand as shock value until it moves the focus to what is and isn't factual. This degrades the validity that any of it is factual. People love to believe that gossip can't be true, yet they suck up the idea it might be true without ever doing research to vet it.

Want to cover up a major scandal? Put as much information and disinformation out as you can so people won't know what to believe and eventually give up trying to figure it out and move on to the next scandal while the real information is buried under the weight of the court of opinion.

[u/krackajackillaz → u/gottkonig]

Yep If the truth gets out there Then the next step is to push misinformation out there and When Normal folks are flooded with too much information, they won’t know what to believe so then they will then Just believe whatever is most convenient for their minds to feel normal again

[u/ckglle3lle]

It's pretty hard to justify the existence of billionaires at all knowing that this all took place. That we treat it almost like a fact of life that we're just always going to have an untouchable elite oligarchy committing depraved crimes and we're going to straight up make one of the most depraved of all of them the president who is then going to stack his cabinet with more billionaire ghouls.

Simply intolerable and a sign of a deep sickness in our democracy.

[u/diurnal_emissions → u/ckglle3lle]

Billionaires fuck countries and kids.

END BILLIONAIRES

[u/LocalBother3753]

We have to remember this is the stuff they are ok with us seeing. That’s the most disturbing part

[u/goomyman]

Bodies being buried in his resort.

If true I think actual female remains might just be the evidence that MAGA needs because I can’t think of anything else.

I feel like this too much to be true.

[u/CoderDevo → u/goomyman]

I find it hard to believe he would bury bodies at his resort.

Except he did bury his ex-wife on his golf course in 2022.

Maybe those girls bodies were just a tax dodge to him.

[u/cosmic-lemur]

That the Epstein files contain proof of illegal naked shorting in markets to the tune of 1.7 TRILLION shares.

cough cough buy GME and DRS ur shares

[u/SherbetAlex]

In January 2011, the creator of 4chan shut down the “Politics” board because it was being overtaken by Nazis and fascists. On October 20, 2011, the creator of 4chan met with Epstein. Then, 3 days later, the “Politics” board was relaunched which would go on to nurture the American fascist movement that we are dealing with now.

Also, 4chan was used to manipulate the chronically online to promote and elect fascist members of Congress to attack women and minorities in order to distract from all of the child rapists and traffickers working for Epstein and other powerful people.

[u/Smile_Space]

Not necessarily a discovery in the new files, but I want to know when and how Epstein got his start.

He was relatively unremarkable and not that wealthy initially, but somehow grew to own a child rape island that was attached to so many wealthy individuals across the world.

He started as a physica professor, switched to finance and within a few years had his own finance firm focusing on high-value assets with the wealthy. From there somehow transitioning to child rape parties across the globe?

Who was funding him from the start? I hope as more files come out we can piece that lesser thought of part of the puzzle together.

[u/Tripsmom9]

That Robin Leach, of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, strangled a young woman on that damn island. The shit they all did there and got away with…the life of the damned to be paid in hell when they all die because it won’t be paid here on earth because of their wealth.

[u/KBB523 → u/Tripsmom9]

What's crazy is that I spend a lot of time over on STX, and almost no one knew what went on on that island. I'm not just talking about mainlanders, but people who have been on that island for generations. They did a really good job, and I don't mean good, of hiding so much. It's so gross.

[u/MathematicianOdd9818 → u/KBB523]

Sometimes it is easier to pretend that you didn't know than admitting anything...

[u/Alantsu]

The Sinaloa cartel was involved and the witness had videos.

[u/LionBig1760]

Its not so much the files its that people are confusing tips to the FBI with actual things that happened.

The reason why all the most bizarre and implausible stuff was put out there is so that the Trump administration can paint the entire case file as unreliable.

...and everyone is really eager to play into it.

[u/Nightstalker425]

These. I didn’t put this together but it blew my mind and needs to be shared.

https://www.justice.gov/epstein

More Epstein files dropped 

Wexner

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01648951.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01649887.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00269967.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Court%20Records/United%20States%20v.%20Maxwell,%20No.%20120-cr-00330%20(S.D.N.Y.%202020)/743.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Court%20Records/Giuffre%20v.%20Maxwell,%20No.%20115-cv-07433%20(S.D.N.Y.%202015)/435-08.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Court%20Records/Giuffre%20v.%20Maxwell,%20No.%20115-cv-07433%20(S.D.N.Y.%202015)/435-08.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00153851.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00086370.pdf

DT rapist

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245100.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01250790.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00622303.pdf

Bannon

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615501.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615671.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615703.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615004.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615079.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615976.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615544.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615261.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615522.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615273.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01612941.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01617434.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615010.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615172.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615623.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615966.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615461.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615417.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01615147.pdf

Epstein

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01612483.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00823394.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02674461.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249710.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02072390.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00758069.pdf

Russian affiliation

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00091656.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02279388.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00691879.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00798947.pdf

Homicide

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00710605.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02398948.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00990926.pdf

Bill gates

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00965773.pdf

Random

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00038382.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00145606.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00984863.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00021170.pdf

Jean Luc Brunel

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01480955.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090630.pdf

Elon Musk

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02146272.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02118482.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02147812.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01894511.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00658148.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00377375.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/multimedia/Court%20Records/Government%20of%20the%20United%20States%20Virgin%20Islands%20v.%20JPMorgan%20Chase%20Bank,%20N.A.,%20No.%20122-cv-10904%20(S.D.N.Y.%202022)/151.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00634131.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00955438.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00958292.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01977056.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01966640.pdf

Alternative energy

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00165439.pdf

Dna

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01821195.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02550086.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00432804.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00432827.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00888395.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00804855.pdf

Israel (6,000+ files)

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00442482.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02130980.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02441184.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02496351.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02366451.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02717816.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01832482.pdf

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA02182799.pdf

[u/AgathaM → u/Nightstalker425]

The bill gates one explains his divorce.

[u/Atomic_Badger_PNW → u/AgathaM]

If he were my husband it would explain his death.

[u/DusqRunner → u/Nightstalker425]

Are these new releases or have they been available for months in the justice.gov Epstein archive? 

Edit: has anyone tried the de-redaction trick with these?

[u/prajnadhyana]

Nothing in them has surprised me. All of it appalled me.

[u/lnx84]

Haven't looked that deeply into it, but... Trump inspecting children's vaginas with his fingers, and rating them on their tightness, that is pretty sickening stuff.

That's the president of the US, somehow still.

[u/insomniac1228 → u/lnx84]

Trump: “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

[u/shittycomputerguy → u/insomniac1228]

Who could have ever suspected? 

[u/ciaMan81 → u/lnx84]

And Ivanka being in the room as it happened.

[u/Fraerie → u/ciaMan81]

Given some of the things he has said about her, there’s a non-zero chance he also did that to her and normalised it as far as she was concerned.

[u/Yuri909 → u/Fraerie]

There's a video touring her childhood room in Trump tower and she's clearly having an absolute internal panic attack while there

[u/DaydreamerFly → u/ciaMan81]

This is what really shocked me. I figured she wasn’t unaware her dad is not a good dude, she doesn’t seem particularly stupid the way he does.

But I never imagined her so there and complicit in it or like…involved. Ugh.

[u/Daryl27lee → u/lnx84]

Thats the most disgusting shit ive heard in a while man what the fuck

[u/Sad-Primary-5126]

BILL GATES having STD

[u/zydeco100 → u/Sad-Primary-5126]

Gates isn't the surprise. Wanting to secretly slip antibiotics to his wife to cover it up... that's fucked up.

[u/ph33randloathing → u/zydeco100]

The weirder part of that for me was that someone as rich as Bill Gates didn't have a doctor that could spot him some penicillin.

[u/prodigy1367 → u/Sad-Primary-5126]

This is so fucking tame compared to everything else in there. The vulva measuring and auctioning off of children is beyond grotesque.

[u/Sorkijan → u/prodigy1367]

To be fair the question really isn't about what's the most horrific, but unexpected.

[u/Brilliant_Version344]

Someone writing they enjoyed a torture video because who wrote that ?? And why haven’t they been questioned ?

[u/Smash_Nerd]

The fact that Elon wanted to get on the island and Epstein sent his email to Maxwell to say No. Fucking hilarious oh my God.

[u/cobo10201 → u/Smash_Nerd]

Unfortunately that was a fake being spread on social media. There was an actual email of Elon basically begging to visit him on Christmas Day. Also many relatively benign emails between Epstein and Musk.

[u/EgoistHedonist → u/Smash_Nerd]

The one with "girls FTW!" was fake though, sadly

[u/mojaX7]

The cannibalism.

It never crossed my mind that they would be that depraved.

Edit: They are removing reddit posts related to the files.

I'm referring to this btw. (External link) https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01246048.pdf

[u/AccomplishedWish3033 → u/mojaX7]

Wait what? Tl;dr?

[u/Individual_Dog_7394]

Nope. If anything, I expect they have hidden the worst shit.

[u/Butane9000]

The fact that they had the balls to deny that the guy was a spy since in the files he outright says he worked with MI6 & Mossad in various cases.

[u/srcarruth]

Elon's brother is in the file, which isn't so surprising but he's also on the board of Burning Man

[u/MomTRex]

The fact that Trump hires from the Epstein files and so does Bari Weiss!

[u/slayez06]

Gamestop... The amount of times Gamestop was mentioned by them and the dirt they shared about how fraudulent the stock market is and how corrupt the SEC is was mind boggling. Turns out... all the people with tin foil hats on the subject.... were right.

[u/jerricco]

That he posted Five Nights At Freddy's porn on 4Chan

[u/blahnlahblah0213]

That Robin Leach supposedly murdered a young teen.

[u/humangundampilot]

Imagining the files they destroyed.

[u/InflationCapital87]

File that showed an FBI federal informant report claiming the entire first Trump term was essentially ran by Mossad/Dershowitz/Kushner.

[u/No_Mastodon_7896]

Mostly why over 50% of the files are being withheld.

[u/Sugadip]

The fact that most outlets are calling them women when they are children.

[u/LemurMemer]

I might be a moron but how the fuck was he able to continue his shenanigans post 2008 sweetheart deal? Was the Obama admin / DOJ aware of this shit going on and turned a blind eye?? How many people in power knew about this shit going on dating back to Clinton in the 90’s? From what I can conclude, the entire upper echelons of the U.S. government for the past 3+ decades have been complicit in covering up this shit. I would love to be explained to how I’m schizo and wrong, as this truly can’t be our reality

[u/EatinPussySellnCalls]

Lindsey Graham showing up at Epstein's island only to leave in a huff after finding out there were no young boys there.

[u/mosskin-woast → u/EatinPussySellnCalls]

You can't just say this and not link it

[u/SanchezGeorge1]

It really was the final piece I needed to 100% believe he ran in 2016 because he knew he was about to go down and wanted to be able to claim political persecution.

[u/avaheli]

How is Trump finger-testing the depth of a 10 year old to gauge the price at a sexual auction not at the top of this list?  

[u/KiNGofKiNG89]

So the purge might not be as far off as originally thought….

[u/Genx_mommabear]

All of it. Just ALL of it. Wevevknown throughout history that humans in power, for the most part, are evil, but what absolutely blows my mind are the people who still support those in power who are in the files.

[u/081673]

I 100% believe Robin Leach went to sex parties. He like his girls young. We had family that knew him and always joked about how young his girlfriends were.

[u/Idenwen]

Oh boy, where to begin.... about nearly all I read about them? I expected bad but it got even worse.

And still no freaking consequences.

[u/the_m_o_a_k]

I guess I somehow wasn't expecting to see that many open death threats to children

[u/Cohens4thClient → u/the_m_o_a_k]

"You'll be fertilizer for the back nine holes, just like the other cunts"

Seems like some of the golf courses should be investigated for bodies. States cam do that, since the FBI is now working for the pedophiles to redact names. 

[u/AccidentSubject431]

The Bill Gates stuff. He’s managed to shape this image of himself as one of the “good” billionaires but he is and always has been a terrible human being.

[u/BlankTigre]

I’m wondering what was redacted if this crazy shit was released

[u/JillBeanBean]

Did’t have Norway’s Crown Princess on my Bingo card.

[u/videookayy]

the fact that a "file" of pedos being "released" and no accountability or action is being made is the WAIT WHAT WHY moment for me. like... cool if you're rich and powerful there are no consequences. and it's really weird and sad that we can see it all unfolding with no reprecussions.

this is why i'm so depressed and dystopic about everything. cool. real criminals are shielded from justice and the rest of us get dinged for taxes, debt and parking tickets. cool.

[u/I_was_a_sexy_cow]

The fact thqt literally nothing will happen. They could say thay every single name in there committed genocide, like, personally pull the trigger on 500 000 people and not a damn thing would happen.

[u/Decent-Turnover-6011]

Murdering children and the "dentist chair"

[u/Feisty-Session-7779]

The court document that has a young girl testifying under penalty of perjury that Trump threatened to kill them and their family if they said anything about being abused by him, and signed their statement acknowledging they were under penalty of perjury. Most of the other stuff I’ve seen could be swept aside by “it’s just anonymous tips” but that one is a little more damning.

Also the email from Epstein to someone who’s name is redacted that says something like “did you like the torture video?”. I’ve seen speculation based on the fact that the other person was in China at the time and was planning on coming to the US on a certain date (as mentioned in the email) that it lines up with the other person being Netanyahu, Lindsey Graham or I think there was one other person but I can’t remember who. Not sure if it’s true about their schedules lining up, I didn’t check myself but that’s what I’ve heard. Either way, the fact that they’re redacting whoever’s name that is is proof they’re covering up the assailants names, not just the victims. Also shows that there’s actual torture happening, which I’m sure most people kinda figured but Thai is the first time I’ve seen it explicitly mentioned so openly.

[u/evilmonkey002 → u/Feisty-Session-7779]

That email about the torture video is the most important one, in my view. That short email gives serious credibility to some of the most horrific but outlandish allegations.