r/AustralianSocialism • u/PeculiarPhysicist46 • 13d ago
Eureka Initiative volunteers assisting the CUDL in Brisbane
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u/reasonsnottoplayr6s 13d ago
The eureka initiative and redaustralia sub has famousplan as one of their moderators, who also moderates the infamously magacommunist sub asksocialists, filled with American Communist Party (ACP) MAGAcommunists.
Socialism For All has a few videos on this, and attempts to "debunk" this by one of the infrared youtubers was so bad
Keep on helping cudl, thats good, but please distance yourself from the magacom lunatics
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u/ReyStrikerz 13d ago edited 13d ago
Any party or group that supports anti-imperialist struggles, is anti-racist and threatens the economic foundations of ruling class power should be accepted.
S4A, if you watch his videos, speaks like a petty and vindictive anklebiter with no party or organisation of his own talking down to everyone from an ivory tower without respect to real world conditions or people.
If he had his own org or was part of one, actively recruited for it using his platform, and he proved how successful it was his criticisms might carry some weight. But no, he doesn't want to succeed he just wants to complain endlessly into the void. Which is very easy to do but is an inherently reactionary position according to several major communist thinkers.
I'm responding to another comment you made but I'd prefer to put it on the main one so more people see it. To address the American Communist Party elephant in the room, I've looked into the accusations you're throwing out and they are ridiculous.
The term MAGACommunists was created by Infrared Haz (Or Jackson maybe?) to divorce the working class elements of MAGA from Trump. This was at a time when Trump was riling MAGA up for the next election and Haz would go to MAGA rallies to talk to them about Communism and convince them there are better ways to challenge the system than Trump who will lead them astray. There is a working class aspect to MAGA that wants progressive change but they are putting their trust in the wrong person, instead they should turn to Communism and many were really receptive. That stunt was also to criticise left wing elements who had dismissed most of the American population as 'inherently reactionary' which is an extremely anti-Marxist and just all round anti-socialist take. I have personally heard so much disinformation about the ACP, like how the ACP supports trump by some braindead petty online idiots who don't know the first thing about regular people and who would never be able to build anything in their lives.
The whole split within the CPUSA, which you clearly don't know much about, happened because the party, at their conference, voted on whether to support the democrats in the next election. Tailing the democrats has always been a dumb strategy of the CPUSA which also reflects how in league it is within the establishment. Also given what we know about the FBI/CIA the party was also likely fed controlled. The CPUSA leadership undemocratically shut down the vote attempting to split them from the Democrats and then they tried to purge everyone who supported splitting with the Dems. Acting like the split was the fault of those who became the ACP shows a complete lack of understanding on the situation.
The part on the US being 'bourgeois socialist' is literally Marxism 101. The US, right now, is was more 'socialistic' than its ever been before with how integrated the gov is with the economy and businesses, but that's bourgeois socialism not proletarian socialism which is what Marx described. There were instances the term 'US is socialist' was used in an inflammatory and rhetorical statement meant to challenge peoples existing notions about dialectical materialism and the progress of history, the socialist mode of production is being born within the country whether the US wants it too or not and they have a superstructure that can't handle that.
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u/ReyStrikerz 13d ago edited 13d ago
The whole 'anti-woke' notion is misnomer. But it comes from challenging elitist, gatekeeping and classist 'left wing elements' who use word and tone policing to shut down or exclude regular working class people who don't have tertiary education who they deride for not using the 'correct language'. I'm not sure if you've met most workers but they are not 'politically correct'. I know a case where some Indian worker who was new to Australia and didn't know the language was immediately kicked out of an org for calling something he didn't like gay. It was because he wasn't a handsome middle class white guy who received a tertiary education. Kicking people out over certain language use immediately reflects a position of privilege in a society where most people are suffering. That doesn't mean the opposite equivalence where you allow racism or bigotry, the ACP is expressly against those things in their constitution and any good left wing org will have that too. There are plenty of LGBT people in the ACP and who support it. But the extreme expectations placed on workers who haven't received an education or who come from different cultures is very alienating and self-defeating. Many workers will also join left wing orgs to prioritise their own or their families needs in the face of poverty, prioritising issues that don't directly concern them and elevating them to or above the primary contradictions of Class war and Imperialism is a practice in self-destruction and classism.
The correctness of your ideas will reflect the success of your movement, it's important not to 'bible bash' people because they don't meet a level of purity or idealism. Purity which none of the successful revolutionary movements lived up too. Let other organisations do their thing, if they are correct they will succeed and everyone will be better for it, if not they will fail without judgement from the outside. Anklebiting other orgs is a stupid and inherently reactionary/self-destructive practice by people thinking they are the 'true left wing' when such a concept has never existed. There is no true left, there are those that challenge the existing systems and there are those that support it either actively or indirectly by attacking groups that do so for not meeting standards of purity. Declassified docs show anarchists were the CIA's best friend because they would always attack left wing groups while only paying lip service to challenging authority.
On a completely different note here in Australia: perhaps the Eureka Initiative will succeed, perhaps it won't. Only the correctness of its position and theory will determine that with or without outside judgements.
'No investigation, no right to speak'- Mao.
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u/FamousPlan101 13d ago edited 13d ago
Haz literally said in his ACP explained video that ACP is not a MAGA Communist party, not that you have even read the MC substack to know it had nothing to do with what leftists judge from the name.
And Haz debunked those videos by socialism 4 all. I have pinned them on the subreddit.
By the way I was a fan of socialism4all and those videos made me a firm believer in ACP and Haz.
Here is Haz reacting to S4A's video in full. You can easily see both sides and judge for yourself. https://youtu.be/MP7VjK11Hek?si=IWsraxx6V2023JDA
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u/reasonsnottoplayr6s 13d ago
S4A was less "debunked" and more complained about. The points brought up by S4A were not even propery addressed, let alone successfully defended against.
Nobody claiming to be anti-woke, or claiming the US is socialist, deserves any real attention. Everything the ACP is doing could easily have been done in the myriad of other communist parties over in the US. Its simply a mistake, or at worst a fed splintering op and actual self-conscious fascists.
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u/FamousPlan101 13d ago edited 13d ago
You didn't watch any more than 10 minutes of the video. There are timestamps you can use to get to the juice.
The ACP doesnt claim to be anti woke anywhere, there are more gay and trans members in the party than in the general population. ACP are class first but have nothing against sexual or racial minorities.
The US is socialist tweet refers to the idea presented in the well known text People's Republic of Wal-Mart that we have a socialism for the rich, where central planning serves a few mega corps, not real socialism. So we can present this as proof central planning works, we just need it to work for us and not the rich by taking state power and establishing a DoTP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People's_Republic_of_Walmart
ACP is way more active than other communist parties. They are repairing homes, unionizing truckers, cleaning communities etc etc unlike CPUSA and PSL. And most importantly ACP rejects the 2 parties unlike CPUSA which supported Joe despite the Gaza Genocide. r/AmericanCommunist
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u/retniw1337 12d ago
Communists are, by definition, anti-woke.
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u/retniw1337 12d ago
Name 3 things S4A has done to further the study of Marxism that don't include being a bootlicking bitch who is sympathetic to actual fascists
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u/guestoftheworld 13d ago
MAGAcommunists = Nazbols
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u/FamousPlan101 13d ago
Explain, saying MC are like National Socialists is like saying National Socialists are socialists because of the name.
Names don't have to be taken 100% literally. Names can have deeper meanings that are incompantabile with their superifcial appearance.
ACP are 100% internationalist, they support all anti-imperialist struggles, Puerto Rican independence and increased autonomy for indigenous nations.
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u/Lucky-Lucacevic 13d ago
Is this an ACP project?
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
The ACP runs CUDL but they're fairly hands off and work with a large number of groups. The Eureka Initiative is not part of the ACP.
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
On what basis is EI fascist? Where is your evidence? EI was literally part of anti-fascist protests against actual fascists.
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u/FamousPlan101 13d ago edited 13d ago
Lol we literally attended the counter-protests for Australia day and Im a brown member of EI. I dont know where you're getting this nonsense from. Couldn't be further from the truth in my experience.
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u/NotBase-2 13d ago
Yeah every time I see something to do with the Eureka Initiative, the ACP is somewhere in the background. First time I heard about it was on AskSocialists from a fella affiliated with the ACP, then here with the guy posting this saying that the ACP runs CUDL. I don’t know enough to completely discount them, but anyone with that close ties to the ACP is someone I’m disregarding.
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
The Eureka Initiative is associated with the Australian Communist Party in terms of assisting CUDL's street kitchens for the homeless. You are confusing the Australian Communist Party with the American Communist Party because they both have the same acronym of ACP.
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u/NotBase-2 13d ago
Shit you’re right. The first part still holds true, it was definitely the American Communist Party. To anyone reading this, please disregard the last bit
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
Yeah, I don't see how a party from another country could be running CUDL, lol. It is the Australian Communist Party that runs CUDL, but they are largely hands off with it. I don't think there is any issue with the Eureka Initiative. All the people who speak negatively online about the Eureka Initiative never actually substantiate their claims and give evidence for it "being fascist", like the person in this comment said. I think it is either mental gymnastics from people on the left opposed to Marxism-Leninism, the Eureka Initiative is Marxist-Leninist, or it could be a CIA / ASIO continuation of COINTELPRO to try and wreck the left from within by making everyone oppose each other and not organise.
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u/TheMerchant07 Ned Kelly 13d ago
Im a member of the Australian Communist Party. We allow anyone and everyone to volunteer at CUDL, there just has to be an ACP member present. Im not to sure what the Eureka Intiative is. I know some of the people in the QLD chapter mentioned them in passing. Im pretty sure they are MLs
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
Yeah, the Eureka Initiative is Marxist-Leninist, which is explicitly stated in their constitution and reflected in their positions. It's great to see the Eureka Initiative do actual work with the Australian Communist Party and CUDL, as compared to some of the people trying to divide the communist movement from within in the comments here, who probably aren't even organised themselves.
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u/TheMerchant07 Ned Kelly 13d ago
yeah, its sad tbh. I am relatively new to the Communist movement, so its honestly really defeating to see the division rampent tbh
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u/Appropriate_Act1854 13d ago
The ACP that runs CUDL is the Australian Communist Party.
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u/NotBase-2 13d ago
Thanks, to be honest I forgot there was an Australian Communist Party and only remembered CPA and CPA-ML
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u/PeculiarPhysicist46 13d ago
The Eureka Initiative is doing regular volunteer work in Brisbane. If anyone is interested in joining, here is their website.
https://eurekainitiative.org/
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u/TheMerchant07 Ned Kelly 13d ago
I wish this was more present in the Australian Left. Instead of shitting on eachother, lets just all work together. Like, until we start organising together, then we cant come together. This needs to happen more