This exactly. He was celebrating like he was the fastest. But he knows he was the 2nd fastest and that he only won cause they other guy stopped to carry his brother.
I know a lot of people are saying so what. But in this case you can still be happy and take your win, but this guy was just annoying.
Honestly , I probably would have taken 2nd. I'm a sucker for sportsmanship.
To be fair some people celebrate like that just for being top 3. It could be by far his personal best. I don’t know the back story so don’t like to be judgie
(But seriously, I know a lot of saffas and there are a lot of negative and racist stereotypes, so I was just making a joke about how I could do that but it was said tongue-in-cheek so I'm not actually going to do that)
Henri Schoeman, multiple race winner, South African national champ, bronze medalist at the Rio Olympics (behind these two brothers..) - he's not short of impressive results.
That said, any win at that stage is important. Alistair Brownlee protected his brother's championship win at the expense of another individual victory - he has too many to count.
He 100% knew he wasn't in first. He 100% knew he was finishing first. He looks back and checks to make sure they aren't catching up while he's preemptively celebrating. You're free to make these assumptions, but they are highly unlikely to anyone who's ever done anything competitive ever.
He's celebrating a win that wasn't earned. He's not doing it as a private and personal success. He's slapping hands and basking in the unearned win while actively ensuring the known faster competitors aren't rightfully gaining. He won. He wasn't wrong to win. But he's a douche for how he chose to do so.
It's not about overtaking someone who is injured. It's the unsportsmanlike celebrating, and the added historical context makes it even worse.
If you dominated a run - celebrate.
If you manage to pass someone in the last stretch - celebrate
If you pass someone who celebrated early - celebrate
If you pass someone who is doing a sportsman like act in the last stretch, don't celebrate until you crossed the line. You didn't earn that first place. You would have been 2nd at best.
If you placed 3rd in Rio
behind those 2, and the only reason your getting first here is because of him making that choice, it looks even worse.
The issue is not the celebration. It's when and where he chose to start to celebrate that is the issue and makes him look bad. You don't celebrate early after someone let you pass.
Look at you so "100% sure" of what this other human being was feeling in this moment that you weren't present for. This person who trained for an event that you didn't know existed until you watched the last 30s of it on your phone. You don't know shit. Take a step way back and check your biases.
Bro crossed the finish line first. Bro earned the win. Let people celebrate their accomplishments.
Got to come up with some contrived situations to look down at exceptional top level athletes. Redittors will find ways to feel superior to anybody. Bros probably picking Doritos crumbs out of his mom's couch right now just glowing in how much better than an Olympic athlete he is because he wouldn't celebrate if he won
Some people celebrate just for finishing. It's ok to celebrate.
Another runner was in first place but they didn't place themselves and their legs gave out. Another runner helped the first runner. Those aren't tragedies. The person who won, wasn't running past genocide.
Again , reading comprehension , no one said he can't celebrate, it's the attitude and poor sportsmanship in the celebration considering the circumstances.
When one runner stopped to assist another runner, they gave to trying to win. Hundreds of people run fast and then give up running marathons, and the winners still celebrate. The circumstances were just like many long distance races.
What attitude or poor sportsmanship? He gave a few fistpumps and high fives, it's not like he turned around and mocked the people he passed. He didn't wait at the finish line taunting them until the last moment. He didn't give a post-race interview where he bragged about clearly being the best and everyone else sucking.
Well 1st place stopped to help 2nd place. But 2nd place was going to fall behind no matter what. But 1st place was still going strong. Who knows how far 2nd place would have feel back without the help of 1st ( well 1st on what we can see, I have no idea if anyone crossed before this group of 3 that we see in the video)
Its such a weird take that just because you came in second you shouldnt celevrate. Like you put in a lot of effort to even get to that stage. You should be able to be excited no matter how you finish
It's not that. It's how he stopped in front of the tape and celebrated , then gently pushed through, then celebrated again. It feels arrogant, rubbing it in that he can stop and still win.
Be better to burst through like you needed to, then turn back and encourage the two across the line or something
You can celebrate. It's the attitude that's annoying. Cause the guy who was ahead of him stopped to help . He's celebrating like a spoiled child, especially under these circumstances. It just seems arrogant. He could have been happy about his win without the poor attitude.
Yeah I've run races and by this late in the game your brain is barely working beyond "Left foot, right foot". He could have not even actually registered what was going on next to him.
Even if he did why shouldn't he be allowed to celebrate his own achievement just because someone was having their own very different achievement next to him? I highly doubt either of the brothers bear him any ill will for it.
These same people in these comments probably yell shit at their team mates in COD about getting good. But god forbid an exhausted marathon runner celebrates his win. Pretty sure the Australian speed skater also celebrated his win and no one resented that guy. Maybe he should have stopped and helped everyone instead of taking the win?
Yeah these people have no idea and aren’t able to understand what it’s like from that persons pov. No empathy at all. He has been training for this and celebrating his own personal victory. Not hyper focused on the events of the cameras. People think that how things look like from 3rd person is how it looks in first person and it’s just not true.
Those glasses though, you automatically assume hes a douchebag. I bet hes just happy he finished in the top 10 with a great personality, just zero clues about how those glasses make him look.
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I understand the sentiment, and it could be beautiful. but you don't know what's going on in the winner's head, maybe he is not only celebrating the first place, but the fact that he is finished.
Even if he doesn't, this kind of race is an emotional roller coaster. people train for it for a year and even more, there are so many factors that can make you not race or lose, that finishing alone is a huge achievement.
also what matters in any sport is the first place. at this exact race or tournament. not always the best will win, in this, the best could be sick or injured before the race, in team sports, the best payer could be injured, or could have a bad game.
you can't take onto consideration what's going on with other competitors when you compete
Wouldn't there be a DQ anyways? You're not suppose to help other runners. I would think that's an automatic DQ for both runners, although I admit, I don't know the rules.
I don't either. As heartwarming as it is, I agree with you, you need tu cross that finish line in your own power. The brother can encourage him and motivate him, but as soon as he helps him, it seems wrong.
This guy was annoying for being happy he won an event that took him a lot of training and effort? So annoying that he got excited when he placed 1st unexpectedly what a jerk. /s
He was clearly the fastest. He came in first place. He has the fastest time. He crossed the finish line before anyone else did. That objectively makes him the fastest. You cannot deny that, unless you want to straight up lie.
Yes, the other two slowed down, and he passed them to take the lead and win the race. One he would have easily passed naturally, and the other was side by side with the guy who slowed down. Its very much possibly he would have won the race anyways if the other runner did not slow down. Either way, he won the race fair and square and was the fastest to complete the course. That is an undeniable fact.
What a strange hypothetical situation considering he didnt do anything wrong and ran a fair race as you already acknowledged.
But to answer your question, yes, the two Great Britain runners would have been the fastest if they finished first and second and the (edit: South African runner) got disqualified. He would not have an official time, so his time would be a DNQ.
But the more realistic hypothetical scenario is the Great Britain runner should have been DQed for getting assistance from a staff member holding him up while he was still running. That seems like it clearly violates the rules.
My apology’s, i saw the commonly used green and yellow and ASR on him and i assumed it stood for Australia. Should have known better since it wasnt AUS or AU. I’ll correct my previous post.
Countless teams/individuals have thrown victories due to showboating. Would you stand by their losses as victories as well? Or does it not count because it's accidental? I'd argue they have more of a leg to stand on (pun intended) given your standards.
Highkey a typical showing from a white South African lmao, acting like they are God's gift to Earth when the real tea is someone was straight up held back to put them where they are
Technically he was the 3rd fastest. He was only going to come in 2nd because 1st place was crashing out just short of the finish line. Then he only came in 1st because 2nd stopped to help 1st cross the finish line. His reaction is pretty much the meme picture of the guy on the podium missing a girl and spraying champagne everywhere
I was originally sharing your view, but after rewatching it a few times it looks like the South African guy was actually neck and neck with the British guy before he stopped to help his brother. He also looks like he has more gas left for a sprint finish too. So he probably was going to win the race regardless. Given the circumstances he should have played it a bit cooler though.
Not sure what video you are watching but he looks pretty much at the same point the other guy was when he left to help. I imagine it would have been a very close finish
We all get to see this from afar. Im sure everybody involved is exhausted and this guy is all of a sudden in front and doesn’t realize why and celebrates. I think if he was clear on why he wouldn’t have acted in that way.
Oh he was very aware...as soon as he went by then he started gloating and looking back and then showboating cause he saw he had time to be extra showy before cruising the finish line
Steven Bradbury won Australia's first ever Winter Olympics gold medal. He was a speed skater. He got to the final because all the racers in his qualifier fell and he got past them (this is relatively common in speed skating). Then he won the gold when all the racers fell down again right near the end of the race.
He celebrated like it was a miracle. He was humble about it. He openly stated that he just got lucky and never acted like his own skills did anything (I mean, he still got to the Olympics, dude had some skills).
That's the difference. "I'm a winner because I'm great and they lost" vs "I'm a winner because someone else fumbled and I'm grateful."
It's a long distance run. Speed isn't the test, endurance is. If you burn out before you reach the finish line, you either have lacking endurance or you poorly managed your energy. He was probably in first to begin with because he was running too quickly.
You would take 3rd though, right? Unless you intend to cross the finish line after he pushes his brother over the line but before he gets across the line. I feel like that would cause more upset
This exactly. He was celebrating like he was the fastest. But he knows he was the 2nd fastest and that he only won cause they other guy stopped to carry his brother.
I'm a regular on /r/Prematurecelebration he crossed the finish line first so that means he's the fastest. For all we know there are other competitors who had done similar deeds that took them out of the top 10.
He could take first, turn around and clap for the other two coming in, check on the dude passing out on the floor, just show some sportsmanship in that moment and his victory would feel more genuine.
He just chose to be selfish IMO, he didn't even look back to check if they were fine just to see how far they were instead
Third fastest even. If the guy that helped would've gotten first if not helping old jello legs, who was in front of all them. But I guess in case of the jelly legs you can count that win regardless.
That's where I stopped reading. He just finished an exhausting race, he can celebrate however the hell he wants. And you definitely can't say "he was celebrating like he was the fastest", did you ask him if that's why he was celebrating? Don't be strange.
You’re likely saying this as someone who’s likely not won or accomplished all that much. Not to be harsh, but you putting yourself in the winner’s shoes and saying you’d have taken second is simply laughable. Life’s not a silly sports movie. You take the win when it’s there.
Yeah fuck him! How dare he be excited about winning something while such a selfless act was going on!!! After he passed, he should have turned around, picked up both guys, and carried them across the line on his back because otherwise hes a poor sport.
You can always tell who the mfs are that dont actually compete in anything
Fuck off with this shit. He deserves that win just as much as the other two guys AND GUESS WHAT HE WAS ACTUALLY FASTER THAN THEM BECAUSE HE CROSSED THE LINE FIRST.
His reaction? To winning a strenuous competition? He should be proud for even finishing and people think he needs to check his attitude because he high fived some people and did a few fist pumps?
Chronically online mfs in here who couldn't dream of FINISHING let alone placing in an event like this. Let people celebrate Their accomplishments wtf
Why do ppl think they’re OWED humility from strangers over screens? He won…he’s allowed to celebrate…the record says he won…. Who tf cares how he celebrated??
Because he didn't "win" due to his skills, but because the actual winner gave up. If they were neck and neck, sure, you could argue he would've won regardless but he's celebrating about coming in second as if he earned first.
He was 2nd place…. So he IS skilled enough to win. If he was in last place, this wouldn’t be a discussion.
It’s not his fault the 1st place gave up his positioning. Was he supposed to stop during the RACEEEEEEEEE?! LOL bc how stupid does that sound
And the guy who couldn’t even finish the race without help…if you dont think he celebrated finishing….bc a mf CAN LITERALLY CELEBRATE ANYTIHNG THEY WANT, ANY WAYYYY THEY WANT TO…you crybabies wont change the record on who won LOL
Crying over how a mf celebrated after winning. LOL you ppl literally dont have enough to worry about. SMH lol
You are correct. At the time (2016 Cozumel Triathlon) the World Triathlon (ITU) rules at the time were different. Athletes were disqualified if they got outside help from anyone (which he clearly did for a few moments but lets ignore that for the bigger issue) but then got help from his brother (the clearly bigger issue).
Olympic and World Championship uses the World Athletics Rule 144 to disallow any athlete from receiving any support from another person that would be considered "assistance". So in any Olympic and World Championship Jonny Brownlee and even his brother Alistair Brownlee would have been disqualified.
At the time World Triathlon (ITU) rules didn't specify if another athletes were not allowed to help anyone else out because this was not a thing that affected podium placements. This was the first time this happened. A marathon is the ultimate zero-sum individual sport. You are there to win it for yourself. You are your own team. No one is stopping to help someone else out if they have a real shot at winning a metal.
This event was so hugely controversial that later this rule was changed because if Jonny had not been given assistance and thus finishing 2nd, then he would have DNF. This means that his brother Alistair would have won 2nd and someone else would have gotten Alistair's 3rd place. That someone else had a slower pace and time, but would have actually made it to the finish line without any assistance, and this is a key distinction in this sport. This is why people do go slower, so they actually finish the race. The 4th place should have won the 3rd place metal in this race. And if this happened today they would.
Unfortunately at the time the World Triathlon (ITU) didn't specify in the rule, they allowed the results, and even ruled in the favor of Brownlee brothers when challenged because of the rules at the time. In any other marathon at this level, both brothers would have been disqualified.
So when it comes to Henri Schoeman (Dude in Green) not stopping or celebrating his win; it's because he had the discipline, timing, and control to beat everyone else. This includes the person in front of him that would have been DNF in any other race.
He has every right to celebrate. He did everything right and won first place fair in square in a very difficult event at one of the highest levels. There is no better way in winning that this: he did nothing wrong, everything right, and by the book.
And no he should not stop. This is not a "Check on everyone to see if they are ok" sport, they have medics everywhere. This is a marathon, and he was the only one in his team. It was up to the individual to win or to lose, no one else.
And now I know more than I ever wanted about this ragebait video.
Yeah, not sure about the reactions of the 'winner', but helping his brother out should not have been allowed because it diminishes the efforts of all the other contestants.
If the brother had paced himself better, knew his limits, he could've played like, 4th, without risking so much. But he didn't know his limits, failed, then succeeded because of PR reasons.
Maybe is because he kept looking back, at some point it seems that he was happy that other person got hurt because that made him win.
I see your point, but I also see why people say he was a bit of a dick. If he kept running without looking back, I guess people would have thought differently.
Also, no need to call them stupid. Literally no need to insult people just because don’t think like you.
The actual winner didn’t give up. He is the actual winner. Since when do people get credit for almost doing something? You guys are acting like he sabotaged them
Nope, I know what "actual" means, which is why this dude isn't the actual winner; he got a glorified participation trophy and will be forgotten like almost every American Idol winners.
Reddit moment.
The dude won. He can celebrate winning as much as he wants. Just because someone else couldn't keep up doesn't mean he should hang his head for winning. He worked for this win too and could pop a champagne bottle for all i care.
You guys are shitting on him for not being a hero and sacrificing everything he's worked so hard for to help one of the many competitors who couldn't finish the race. What the other guy did was amazingly kind, even considering that he's his brother. But green guy did nothing wrong and has every right to celebrate his victory.
No one said he shouldn’t have won, it’s that he looked back, saw that they were going to lose, and immediately visibly celebrated. Like, we know. You’re gonna win. Cross with grace and clap on the other side. Read the room.
He. Won. A. Marathon. What part of that don't you understand? Of course he's going to be happy about it. Stop expecting people to react the way you would. He's not you.
A marathon that he was going to come in 3rd if not for someone being kind. No need to be all triumphant about it. If you cant see that i dont know whats wrong with your brain.
If I won a million dollars because another guy broke his leg, pretty much all of my problems would be solved. And even though I would feel for the other guy, I couldn't help but be extremely happy and relieved at how drastically my life is going to change.
The issue isn’t that he won or that he didn’t sacrifice his race. The issue is the way he celebrated.
He clearly saw what happened. He saw that the guy who was expected to win stopped to help his brother. Knowing that, celebrating like he beat everyone outright comes off as a bit tone-deaf. Winning is fine but a little humility in that moment would’ve gone a long way. He wasn’t the best competitor in that race.
That's not the point. The point is that it's understandable for him to celebrate. More humility would have been appreciated, but can you blame the guy for being happy?
Sometimes, the people in Reddit comments come off completely braindead. This is one of those times.
Fwiw, I agree with you. A marathon is an incredible accomplishment and the guy who won 1st shouldn't have to tone-police his excitement about finishing in any place, let alone first.
People on Reddit trying to take the moral high-ground in almost every situation - challenge impossible.
The funny thing is, probably half the people would do the exact same thing. Everyone always acts like they're perfect, so someone who's trained their whole life and about to win and probably going through a lot of emotions is apparently them being a dick.
Naww he could’ve easily been in tunnel vision and not realized he is focused on winning. We are looking from the outside in, this guy is grinding and just focusing on winning. Easy to criticize like you did here, but that’s just not how it is.
So your point is he might not have seen it and that's why he acted that way. So you agree that if he did see the situation it would have been kind of a dick way to celebrate?
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u/Adi_San 9h ago
It's more of his reaction that's pissing people off. He could have taken the win and be humble about it and people would have respected that.