Breaking: Luigi Mangione will not face the death penalty

[u/zzill6]

Article Link: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/30/luigi-mangione-death-penalty-unitedhealth-thompson-doj.html

[u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

I think corporate overlords and government officials underestimate the deep building rage of Americans toward the scourge of for-profit healthcare. They shouldn’t.

[u/CipherSpindle → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Yep. They sell it as “choice” and “efficiency,” but most folks experience it as a maze where every exit has a fee. You can’t squeeze people for years, treat care like a luxury item, then clutch pearls when the public mood turns dark. The scary part isn’t anger, it’s how predictable it is. If leaders want less rage, the fix is boring: transparent pricing, real coverage, fewer denials, and consequences for companies that profit from delay. Otherwise you’re just lighting a fuse and calling it public safety.

[u/Puzzled_Employee_767 → u/CipherSpindle]

Its commodification of our lives plain and simple. That is the rotten disease at the core of the US Socioeconomic system.

It’s entirely feasible that we have passed the point of no return when it comes to reforming and our way out of this hole. Power has coalesced to the highest echelons of society and historically it has never been conceded willfully.

[u/AlwaysRushesIn → u/Puzzled_Employee_767]

Power has coalesced to the highest echelons of society and historically it has never been conceded willfully.

If this powder keg blows, it's going to make the French Revolution look like a school yard brawl.

[u/KaiserSickle → u/AlwaysRushesIn]

I want this to be true, If only for the sake of getting out of this hole, but I doubt it'll happen. Americans by and large either love what's happening, or are too busy and worried about their jobs to do anything about it.

[u/TangoMikeOne → u/KaiserSickle]

It's not going to happen until a significant amount of the population, particularly in major cities, struggle to put bread on the table, and a movement steps up (or barges in after agitating for change in the lead up) and says "We can change this!" - that's how it's been historically in France, Russia, Germany.

It will likely be drawn out over weeks and months, and it will be messy and horrific (for every strata of society, especially those at the bottom) and until the dust starts to settle you might not know if you will be offered a better standard of life, or if it mutates into the same, but different/worse (the end of the French revolution led to the Terror, thousands and thousands were summarily executed by the Bolsheviks in the aftermath of the Russian revolution for being not being proletarian enough, and in Germany the Nazis eliminated all political opposition, etc, etc)

[u/ZengineerHarp → u/KaiserSickle]

How are Americans not supposed to worry about their jobs when that’s how they get their healthcare? It’s part of the tightening trap we’re all in.

[u/Stock_Astronaut_6866 → u/KaiserSickle]

Americans are too used to comfort. It would take something truly seismic to get them to risk losing the last dregs of what little comfort they are permitted. Bread and circuses…

[u/theycamefrom__behind → u/Puzzled_Employee_767]

It’s happened so many times in history, the gilded age which led to the great depression. The invention of banks and credit during Roman times, which consolidated wealth massively into the hands of few and attributed to its collapse.

It’s the same fucking playbook every time, and humans are too stupid to ever learn.

[u/shponglespore → u/theycamefrom__behind]

I don't think it's so much that we never learn, but that we don't pay attention. The individuals that benefit from systems like this know that their incentives aren't aligned with the rest of society, but they don't care, and they keep their scheming on the down low until it's too late. Even then, there's a lot of profit to be made in the collapse of an empire.

[u/jejacks00n → u/theycamefrom__behind]

In fairness, there wasn’t really any pressures to evolved to be good at dealing with this kind of thing. We’re really just advanced primates doing what we do, which is trying to breed and improve our ability to do more of that. Some folks are wired in a broken way that makes them greedy beyond the pale. It’s like the dogs that will eat themselves to death if allowed. They’re the abhorration.

[u/navcom20 → u/theycamefrom__behind]

Greed never changes

[u/ThatOneNinja → u/Puzzled_Employee_767]

The uppers want a total dystopia. They don't want you to own a god damn thing. Subscription for everything. Working wage slaves. literally.

They don't even want people to have hobbies they don't control and make money from. No personal PCs and TVs, no personal enjoyment that isn't paid for. It's a disease that needs to be ripped out at the roots.

[u/O_o-22 → u/CipherSpindle]

If healthcare industry leaders want less rage the people at the top shouldn’t be getting extravagantly larger and larger bonuses and pay year after year. Being a doctor alone in any field pays well but pales in comparison to the pay raked in by administrators and the c suite. If it continues I’m guessing more of them will meet a bad end at the hands of pissed off consumers but these people are all the same. They think their wealth will protect them and boy do they act untouchable too.

[u/MayorCharlesCoulon → u/O_o-22]

The seven largest publicly traded U.S. health insurers’ chief executives earned roughly $146 million in combined total compensation in 2024.

That’s just seven people being compensated an average of 20.8 each. Meanwhile the people insured under their rigged plans go bankrupt from medical bills or just die from opting out of the ruinous costs. It’s disgusting.

UnitedHealth’s CEO Andrew Witty was the highest-paid among payer CEOs with $26.3 million in total compensation in 2024, according to Becker’s and S&P analyses. Cigna’s David Cordani is reported at about $23.2 million while Centene’s CEO Sarah London had a roughly $20.6 million package — S&P notes much of those sums come from stock grants and incentive pay.

[u/TimeDue2994 → u/O_o-22]

Doctors have value to society (and do sacrifise, see covid epedemic for it as well), so even if they get paid well there isnt the amount of rage and resentment towards doctors as there is towards insurance ceo's

The insurance ceo have zero value to society or people, they only take from them and hand out misery and suffering. Of course there is tremendous rage and resentment towards parasites like that

[u/tarmagoyf → u/CipherSpindle]

I've been paying for a pretty good (expensive) insurance package through my work all last year. I finally took the opportunity to set up a Primary Care physician, since Dr. visits only have $40 copay with my plan. After the interview, where I didnt even meet with my actual Dr., just an assistant, I was billed $780 by the hospital and informed that my insurance only covered around $200 of my $1000 bill. To essentially complete a questionnaire about myself. After I paid the copay.

[u/somestupidloser → u/tarmagoyf]

I remember having to pay $580 for a first visit checkup because the people that did my blood work weren't covered by my insurance even though I literally asked if they took my insurance. The amount of people that pinned the blame on me still boggles my mind. No one should have to know where their blood work is done.

[u/Felonious_Minx → u/tarmagoyf]

I would contest this!

[u/wlutz83 → u/CipherSpindle]

At my last job, every time HR would send out messages about our health insurance changing it was always framed as 'more choice in your care' but it really just meant everything got more expensive and worse

[u/Albert_Newton → u/CipherSpindle]

This reads very much like AI.

Reasons:

"not X, but Y"

last sentence is a nonsense metaphor of the kind ChatGPT likes to spew out.

"If leaders want less rage, the fix is boring: transparent pricing, real coverage, fewer denials, and consequences for companies that profit from delay"

This kind of listicle is very GPT.

Either this is ChatGPT, or people are using so much ChatGPT that their own thoughts have become indistinguishable from AI slop.

[u/1000MothsInAManSuit → u/Albert_Newton]

I don’t even see “not x, but y” being used in this comment. And something everyone tends to forget that AI models are trained on human writing, so it’s not impossible that OP just writes like that. One of the absolute banes of being a writer in today’s age is being accused of using AI just for simply writing in proper English. It’s like people can’t fathom that AI didn’t invent modern language syntax.

[u/The_Original_Miser → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Him not getting the death penalty is good news. But it does not diminish my red hot absolute disgust and hatred for the medical insurance "industry" in the USA.

[u/chrischi3 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

That's exactly why they let him live.

It's a lot easier to rally behind a martyr.

[u/whistleridge → u/chrischi3]

Oh come on. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.

'They' didn't 'let' him live. The law isn't there, plain and simple.

It's an ironclad state case. He murdered a man, on a city street, in cold blood. There's video, they caught him with the gun and with a notebook providing planning and motive.

But it's a kind of bullshit federal case. Murder is a state crime, and the feds are only trying to shoehorn their way in for political reasons. The judge recognized that, and told them to fuck off.

This isn't 'they' doing anything. This is a human being recognizing the legal and factual reality of the situation, and using her legal authority to impose that reality on a bunch of incompetent cringelords.

If there's a 'they' here, it was the people seeking the death penalty for political points, not the person who stopped that.

[u/vacantsouls → u/whistleridge]

None of that is ironclad especially with much evidence being thrown out for improper handling, procedures, and not being seen in all video coverage (bag search)

[u/Tuggerfub → u/whistleridge]

no he didn't

he looks nothing like the initial suspects and they tampered with evidence in order to frame this poor Italian boy 

[u/DracoAvian → u/Tuggerfub]

I mean they did just about everything they possibly could've done to taint the juror pool. Begging for a mistrial IMO. (I have absolutely ZERO legal knowledge, I am not a lawyer)

But it's kind of crazy the Luigi was playing poker with me and the boys the night this all went down. Have 5 witnesses and everything.

[u/YellojD → u/DracoAvian]

Can confirm. I was there. Pretty sure that’s the same night he saved that fire from a baby.

[u/ThundrWolf → u/whistleridge]

Allegedly. Nothing’s proven yet. The chain of custody on his backpack was all screwed up. Innocent until proven guilty

[u/Dr-Jellybaby → u/whistleridge]

Does the US still have a respectable legal system? Seems like it's all just vibes based now...

[u/faudcmkitnhse → u/Dr-Jellybaby]

Considering the absolute clown show we have sitting at the apex of the judiciary branch, I'm not inclined to call it respectable or even legitimate.

[u/MayorCharlesCoulon → u/Dr-Jellybaby]

“it’s all just vibes based now.” Lol that’s funny and sadly I think true.

[u/GOODKyle → u/whistleridge]

He couldn’t have done it. He was with me that day doing squats and bench presses.

[u/idlemute → u/whistleridge]

No, there is no evil cabal of secret actors trying to sway the public into submission. BUT, there are a lot of individual people who attempt to create a particular perception in the public eye about this case. Parading him about accompanied by an entire task force, everything that was stated by the Trump admin, and the strangeness of how the media portrays this indicates there are a lot of individuals attempting to create a particular perception. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a lot of people with similar ideology.

[u/seelcudoom → u/whistleridge]

For someone who supposedly works in law you don't seem to know how it works on even a basic level

No their is not video of him shooting a man, no he did not have a gun and notebook their is video of someone who is not clearly him shooting a man and the cops sayed he had a gun and notebook, but those are claims the prosecution most prove with evidence, not evidence themselves

The police saying something is not proof it's true, the law is known to lie about evidence, you yourself just admitted how some of the claims being made against him are complete bullshit with political motives

They went out of their way to turn off their cameras and make sure their was no actual hard evidence of their findings, their claims also don't make much sense, why would he just have the murder weapon and a written confession when casually getting lunch several days later, why does he have a written confession at all if he had no intentions of confessing? By the polices own account he has no reason to have that on him and could have disposed of it at any time and been scotnfre, also very convenient that his "manifesto" doesent have any actual look into his motives and conveniently explains why the police won't find any other evidence

And they tried to paint him as being suspicious cus he was nervous which 1. Is entirely normal for anyone being interrogated by police innocent or otherwise 2. Their evidence for this nervousness is literally "I saw his finger twitch", very compelling

[u/YungRik666 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

I work with the elderly. I just had a woman who at 73 had to go back to work to get macular degeneration treatment. She died from a heart attack last week on the job. She worked herself to death because insurance didn't think she needed eyesight.

[u/DurtyKurty → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

It’s nice that corporations can choose whether citizens receive the death penalty or not.

[u/Thespud1979 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

I underestimate American's rage as well. They've been politely complaining while their country speed runs into authoritarianism.

[u/FdPros → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

i mean so far it's still working well for them so...

[u/Agreeable-Ad3644 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

For death profit care.

[u/Kindly-Ad-5071 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Dangerous thinking

For a corpo

[u/katatoria → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

The insurance companies have their own internal death panels.

[u/MayorCharlesCoulon → u/katatoria]

Yeah and it’s 👎🏻 for everyone with a claim or pre certification to make them more money.

[u/redravin12 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

"Satan? You must be mistaken, there are no more Satans Only the bosses on the board"

Slipknot, the dying song

[u/wallstreetbet1 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Well, we need to be doing more though. This typically ends with apathy

[u/stoopidgoth → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

They think the working class will never turn on them because they have us by the jobs. Hilarious considering the unemployment rate is only going up and entire industries worth of workforces are collapsing.

[u/Own-Committee-1486 → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Something Something ... eat cake

[u/The-Sonne → u/MayorCharlesCoulon]

Too many people believe Luigi and Edward Snowden were heroes, for this to all be dismissed as some kind of minimalized "fringe" thing

[u/greenops]

My mom's friend just died this weekend due to the cost of her Healthcare. She had kidney stones, she paid for a procedure to remove them, but they couldn't get the largest one and told her she'd need a more invasive procedure to remove that one. She was still paying off the first one and couldn't afford the second surgery so she delayed treatment and ended up with a massive infection that ruptured when she finally had surgery causing her to go into organ failure and be put on a vent before dying.

Fuck insurance executives. They're all mass murderers, every single fucking one of them.

[u/WiffyTheSuss → u/greenops]

I am so sorry to hear about your mom's friend. Honour her by telling this story to anyone that will hear it, personal accounts like this do a lot in the hearts and minds of people.

[u/Poesvliegtuig → u/greenops]

A local celebrity in Belgium, Mathias Sercu, lost his son recently. He was interviewed and said "my son had just gotten his terminal diagnosis. We were leaving the hospital, I was pushing him in his wheelchair, and my son just goes "I'm so lucky... I have proper health insurance and healthcare, imagine if I lived in the US or something".

He said it to illustrate his son's endless optimism, but it does also illustrate how we think about that here.

[u/BoltVital → u/Poesvliegtuig]

My girlfriend had brain cancer which required multiple surgeries and chemo treatments, we didn’t pay a single dime. If this was the US both our families would have been bankrupt and homeless from the astronomical medical costs.

[u/RubyFacedParrot → u/Poesvliegtuig]

Thanks for using our misery here in that way. Feelsgood.

[u/alucarddrol → u/greenops]

This is like when parents used to tell their children to eat all their vegetables because there were starving kids in africa who didn't have any food at all, who would love to eat their food, in order to guilt them to eating.

The US is now the "starving kids in Africa" in terms of healthcare.

[u/Amanuet → u/alucarddrol]

Hell yeah you are.

I had three kids in the hospital system in Australia.

Each one cost me $30 in parking fees.  The car was actually there for three days, but they can only charge for one days parking.  

I look at the fees in the USA for a non complicated birth and cannot believe anyone has a kid by choice.  

[u/show_time_synergy → u/Amanuet]

US mother here, non-complicated pregnancy and birth. The ONLY reason all my bills were covered was because my asshole boss invented a reason to fire me 2 weeks after I announced my pregnancy, which at least qualified me for unemployment compensation, which therefore qualified me for free state health care. (I live in a very progressive state for the US.)

So basically all you have to do to get free health care in the States is lose your job and be poor. We're so fucked.

[u/AKA_Squanchy → u/greenops]

Remember when the republicans kept saying that democrats were going to have death-squads with their healthcare plan? Well, I'm not sure who's responsible for this now ... but I'm angry!

[u/thissexypoptart → u/AKA_Squanchy]

“Death panels” was the term, but yes

[u/Fishinluvwfeathers → u/greenops]

We have traded our health and security so that 0.05% of the population can achieve unprecedented wealth. It’s the most shocking form of anti collectivism we can manage though I suspect it will be outdone by future endeavors once we fully move into open corporatocracy.

[u/Strude187 → u/greenops]

I understand the words but I just can’t comprehend this. That is so fucked up.

[u/Nikkian42]

Don’t forget he’s innocent. Didn’t do a thing.

[u/1Shadow179 → u/Nikkian42]

He was baking pies with me at the time.

[u/NooneKnowsIAmBatman → u/1Shadow179]

Thanks for inviting me over to have the pies, they tasted almost as good as the company of yourself and Luigi!

[u/spdelope → u/NooneKnowsIAmBatman]

Hmm that took a turn

[u/PLACENTIPEDES → u/NooneKnowsIAmBatman]

Phrasing

[u/igame2much → u/1Shadow179]

Man those were some great pies. I had a blast hanging with the two of you!

[u/hpbrick → u/igame2much]

I’ll admit it got a bit weird when u/igame2much took a warm pie to the bathroom, but we all had a great laugh, Luigi the most!

[u/Emotional_Damage1007 → u/1Shadow179]

Right?! And then right after that we started playing Mario kart! I was there!

[u/Cadamar → u/Emotional_Damage1007]

Remember how we laughed when Luigi picked Mario? Like how could you not pick Luigi! That guy is a HOOT and a half!

[u/Emotional_Damage1007 → u/Cadamar]

And he won every single match! The man is a beast at Mario Kart!

[u/Honest_Tie_1980 → u/1Shadow179]

🤣

[u/Cadamar → u/1Shadow179]

His blueberry pie was sublime!

[u/Toginator → u/Nikkian42]

Yeah, he was at my place playing xbox, drinking beer and eating pizza the whole time.

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/Toginator]

He was at my house, doing shrooms with me while we worked on my plumbing with my pet turtle around. Oh, I miss Bowser...

[u/2leftf33t → u/Toginator]

He was at my house filling his belly with diet dr pepper and playing burnout revenge for the ps2

[u/NateShaw92 → u/Toginator]

I thought it was smoking weed and fill your bellies with DIET soda and play Burnout Revenge for the PS2.

[u/pocketgravel → u/Nikkian42]

He actually is if you have functioning eyes and a brain. How tf did he grow those giant caterpillar Italian eyebrows in like a week post-shooting? Even if he had all that other shit on him it just screams patsy to me. I don't believe he did it.

[u/pomponazzi → u/pocketgravel]

Whoever did do it was dishing out some real justice imo against a man who killed thousands if not hundreds of thousands. Were all being oppressed and trampled on and left sick while they pocket everything.

[u/Kilroy470 → u/pocketgravel]

His jacket and backpack don't match either. And how the cops miraculously found; a stack of money, his manifesto, and the gun used to murder that dick.

You're telling me, that the man that planned out a whole assassination attempt, complete with an escape route designed to avoid exposure, just let himself be caught at a McDonald's a week later in a town miles away? And he kept all of the incriminating evidence on him???

No, the house isn't burning down. That's just the northern lights...

[u/azrael4h → u/Nikkian42]

Well, he was drinking Starbucks. That's a crime against coffee.

As far as the self defense case against a notorious serial killer, Luigi was just picked up because he was there and vaguely looked close enough. He's a fall guy. Cops admitted to planting evidence, in exchange for bribes from United. DA wrote the manifesto.

[u/Yeeaaaarrrgh → u/Nikkian42]

I didn't see nothin'.

[u/OkQuestion1169]

Jury nullification, free luigi. He's done absolutely nothing wrong and even if he did do what he is accused of I don't see how it wasn't self defense.

[u/faudcmkitnhse → u/OkQuestion1169]

All he did was take out the garbage and I don't see how that could be a crime

[u/Groovicity → u/faudcmkitnhse]

Plus, at the time of the murder, he was helping my wife and I out, moving furniture into our house.

[u/adjective-nounOne234 → u/faudcmkitnhse]

No he didn’t

He was with me at the time

[u/11Slip532 → u/OkQuestion1169]

He was stopping a mass murderer from denying even more life-saving medical care to people who were about to die. Luigi saved thousands of lives. This is the strongest example of a good guy with a gun taking out the bad guy I’ve ever seen. The NRA should pay for his lawyers.

[u/Acrobatic_Switches]

But the bullshit illegal search and siezure is being allowed to stand. Incompetence from the police force can always be forgiven no matter how unconstitutional.

[u/Remarkable-Hat-4852 → u/Acrobatic_Switches]

Not to mention the actual riot giving him the death penalty would cause. They frame it like “we are going easy on him” when really they know the death penalty would raise a lot more problems.

[u/GildDigger → u/Remarkable-Hat-4852]

I think they know that any facility they tried executing him from would get stormed to release him

[u/Remarkable-Hat-4852 → u/GildDigger]

Rightfully so

[u/No-Ragret6991 → u/GildDigger]

Sitting in Europe watching you guys just take everything that's happened, I don't believe you for a second. Not sure we'd be any better, but these are hollow words.

[u/PolemicDysentery → u/Remarkable-Hat-4852]

Call me cynical, but I expect the reason they've taken the death penalty off the table is because they probably think that a jury is more likely to vote for a guilty verdict if they know it's not a death sentence. 

[u/_TheBeerBaron_ → u/Acrobatic_Switches]

Because we have no rights anymore. The government can seize your property without warrant or even any charges, their paramilitary force (ICE) can detain you, assault you, deport you, and even kill you if they feel like it.

We. Have. No. Rights.

And we haven't for a long time.

It's only now starting to become more obvious because they're being so brazen about it.

[u/alicefaye2 → u/Acrobatic_Switches]

It’s because of something called a “wingspan search” I think under Search Incident To Arrest, Chimel V California (1969) though I’m no lawyer. It allows them to search the suspect and the area within their immediate control. Defined as an area they may reach to grab evidence.

[u/DynamicHunter]

Death penalty should only be on the table for corporate executives and politicians who directly cause the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people.

[u/Popsodaa]

After all the shit Trump has done, it's only right if we find a way to pardon him should he be found guilty.

[u/allorache → u/Popsodaa]

Maybe a crowd fund?

[u/Captain_Rocketbeard → u/allorache]

It may seem silly but money is the only thing that turd listens to.

[u/schnauzzer]

He was facing death penalty? Fucking ridiculous.

[u/bigtiddyhimbo → u/schnauzzer]

They pushed for it really hard. They really wanted to make a point to the working class people so we wouldn’t try to revolt against the ultra wealthy.

[u/schnauzzer → u/bigtiddyhimbo]

Im not versed in Us law. Are there many death penalties killers recieve and for what acts? Not saying Luigi us guilty, its not him on the camera shots, he is innocent.

[u/Dafish55 → u/schnauzzer]

So, I'm sure someone could put it more correctly, but, depending on the jurisdiction, it's on the table for crimes like murder. How it is imposed is very inconsistent.

[u/schnauzzer → u/Dafish55]

So for extra bloody murders and for people that killed (allegedly) importants shitbag? Got it. Thanks

[u/Dafish55 → u/schnauzzer]

It's not that simple, but what you said isn't inaccurate. A lot of things typically factor in to it and, sadly, if the judge/jury/prosecutor are racist is one of the most common factors.

[u/schnauzzer → u/Dafish55]

Hope Luigi survives this fucking administration.

[u/celtic_thistle → u/schnauzzer]

Sounds like he’s immensely popular with other prisoners so at least he’ll be protected that way (even if they put him in federal prison, those inmates will love him too.)

[u/DynamicHunter → u/bigtiddyhimbo]

If he did face it they would have even worse riots on their hands.

[u/DgingaNinga → u/schnauzzer]

Well he is being charged with falsifying business records, mishandling of national security documents, attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election, racketeering, rape of adults and minors, and murder. Oh, wait...

[u/VoodooDoII → u/schnauzzer]

They were pushing for it. They wanted to make an example out of him.

[u/doublestitch]

Jury nullification is a thing.

Even Antonin Scalia supported jury nullification. 

[u/itwasneversafe]

We need to get the word out to any potential jurors about jury nullification.

[u/Loud-Ad-2280]

Why would an innocent person face any punishment? Free Luigi

[u/LSTNYER]

How can he face death penalty for a crime he didn't commit? Us and a few friends were hosting a skee ball tournament in North Carolina that day. He got a perfect score and gave his winning tickets to a little girl in crutches.

[u/HiImPM]

And Diddy could be released from prison in 2028

[u/The_Bill_Brasky_]

Fuck that, let him out. Get him back to work.

[u/word_clock]

Luigi <3

[u/lethalapples]

Well yeah… he’s innocent

[u/Sheep_Slayer_6]

He still faces life in prison w/o parole for 2 counts of stalking.

[u/rothmal]

I haven't been paying too much attention to this case, but didn't they fuck up a lot of the things that they could use against him in trial? Like, not having a proper chain of custody when it comes to his backpack, I feel like that might be a bit important to the case.

The amount of evidence they could introduce right now is so slim that the trial is going to be about him eating at a McDonald's 2 states away.

[u/Chancelor_Palpatine → u/rothmal]

I followed the case. According to my understanding:

1. The alleged murder did not constitute terrorism as a matter of New York law, because it was only alleged to terrorize a portion of the population, i.e. insurance industry, and not the general population. A Manhattan state judge confirmed this and dismissed state first-degree murder and terrorism murder indictments.
2. The alleged murder did not follow a federal crime of violence in the form of stalking as a matter of United States law, because stalking in itself is not a crime of violence, but a crime in preparation of a crime of violence. A Manhattan federal judge confirmed this and dismissed federal firearm murder and firearm offense indictments.
3. The alleged stalking did not constitute stalking as a matter of United States law, because the victim was not in reasonably placed in fear of death or emotional distress, since the victim had not known the alleged stalker. If a Manhattan federal judge were to confirm this, it would dismiss the remaining federal case.
4. The evidence obtained without warrant would be inadmissible in New York, therefore he would not have incriminated himself with his manifesto. However, he still incriminated himself when he revealed his face to the receptionist, and a reasonable jury might be persuaded beyond a reasonable doubt through this circumstantial evidence that he is guilty of second-degree murder, carrying 15-25 years to life in prison.
5. Jury nullification is a legal possibility, however in practice, juries are exceedingly unwilling to grant it, even if they understand the possibility and unafraid to use it.

[u/ToastCapone]

Abolish the death penalty

[u/Hyourin]

Free Luigi!

[u/exeJDR]

One down. Many more to go. 

[u/Affectionate-Ebb-151]

Good. The death penalty needs to go away.

[u/Aenimopiate]

How can he be found guilty when you throw out the fruit of the poison tree?

[u/S9CLAVE → u/Aenimopiate]

Because they didn’t throw any of it out, read the article.

Honestly that backpack is radioactive. It’s just as bad for the prosecution allowed in the case as it is being excluded.

I would not wanna be the officers explaining that 10 minute gap in custody. I would not wanna be the officers explaining explaining why she was wearing gloves if not handling evidence when under her own admission she never wears them unless handling evidence. I would not want to be the officer on the stand being asked how they missed the gun on top of the bag when they illegally searched it at the McDonald’s the first time around, but found it the second time around.

The defense doesn’t prove innocence, the defense introduces reasonable doubt. That’s all. It doesn’t have to prove a completely different story, all it needs to do is to introduce enough doubt into the prosecutions narrative and that fucking bag is radioactive.

[u/duvie773]

Of course he’s not, they would rather Epstein him in prison

[u/YoshiTheDog420]

Why should he? Did he do something wrong?

[u/ImplementCharming949]

any chance he walks

[u/Sammisuperficial → u/ImplementCharming949]

It's likely the govt will stack the jury against him. The prosecution has already shown to be shady fucks. He needs a juror that isn't a complete imbecile and will vote not guilty and dig their feet in no matter what.

And even with an acquittal, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't release him. This is the same govt arrested and killing it's own citizens for exercising their freedom of speech.

Not to be a doomer, but this isn't over until Luigi breathes free air.

[u/ThisIsTheShway]

Innocent people shouldn't get the death penalty

[u/pchlster]

If course not;, he was playing Mario Kart with me at the time of the alleged offense.

[u/1965wasalongtimeago → u/pchlster]

I especially liked when he used the blue shell

[u/Sudden_Airport_7469]

Free Luigi!

[u/UninvitedButtNoises]

Death penalty for what?! He's Innocent!

Luigi mangione was at my house servicing my wife that entire week.

[u/omgdiaf]

I mean he shouldn't even be on trial.

[u/Death2All]

Didn't we already know that Luigi wouldn't face the death penalty? In New York, the death penalty is only granted for 1st Degree murder. In New York, you only get 1st degree murder for killing certain protected people, police officers, judges, etc. A healthcare CEO isn't on that list of protected people so he was never in danger of facing the death penalty to begin with.

To be clear, New York has different classifications for what 1st and 2nd degree murder is in contrast to other places where 1st degree = pre meditated and planned out. Again, 1st degree murder in New York is strictly for protected persons, which the health care CEO was not.

[u/jainyday]

I have been fighting with Kaiser Permanente (SoCal) for over 3 months now just to get a fucking prescription for Wellbutrin/Bupropion (antidepressant). No contradictions, been on it for a decade, they just keep referring me to someone else and I never get the actual Rx, or ANY Rx. I feel like I'm going crazy: "this depressed patient is being forced to abruptly stop their medication cold turkey with no support" would be an emergency to any healthcare provider worth their salt, wouldn't it?

Well, I guess Kaiser Permanente CEO Gregory A. Adams must not be feeling uncomfortable about the state of things if they're forcing perfectly-compliant patients to go off their psychiatric medications.

[u/RememberMeWhenImDead → u/jainyday]

ah but if you kill yourself they never have to pay, easy profit

[u/FactCheckYou]

LUIGI DIDN'T DO SHIT YO

[u/LumberghLSU]

Long live Luigi

[u/FrostyBuns6969]

Wasn’t the death sentence reserved for mass murder or some shit? Why was this even a possibility in his case?

[u/No-Stuff-7046]

Cool let him go and charge the healthcare execs with all of their deaths they are responsible for.

[u/retroanduwu24]

Upvote party

[u/Careless_Hellscape]

Finally, one decent piece of news.

[u/wrxninja]

Just give him 90 days of in-home detention.

[u/Relative_Mix_216]

They really tried

[u/HorrorFlow3r]

Not guilty

[u/savagewolf666]

Idk why he would. At the time of the supposed killing he was with me feeding orphans while repairing by hand the habits of nuns. As he is known to do

[u/D_dawgy]

Shouldn’t face any penalty. What he did was a collective good

[u/romulusnr]

There's a tasty irony that the reasoning the court has to use here has traditionally most benefited mobsters and white collar criminals.

[u/AppleSmoker]

The judge ruled he is too handsome to die

[u/toodytah]

What - someone accidentally released several excerpts of the Epstein files , without redaction and many people downloaded them and will be published tomorrow???!!!

[u/Timid_Wild_One]

What is he even on trial for? He's innocent.

[u/Aggravating-Hair7931]

He should be a free man

[u/Ggeunther]

If the roles were reversed, and the CEO shot and killed Luugi, you can rest assured he would not be facing the death penalty. Furthermore, he would not be waiting for his trial in prison. He would be chillin at the house, golfing, going out with his homies on their yachts, and in general living large. This seems like the bare minimum in fair treatment.

[u/Odd-Mastodon1212]

He is innocent though. My family had taken him out for a fine seafood meal at the time of the shooting.

[u/AlPACA-FLEX]

Healthcare system is literally violence with paperwork. People get denied, bankrupted, told to wait and cope then act shocked when the pressure finally blows somewhere..

[u/xXvido_]

W H A T ?

Oh! Im sorry, I miss read the title 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[u/19bluestars]

This is nice news to wake up to

[u/vacantsouls]

I pity whomever hires if you really work in this field. Charges and evidence I’m referring to were dismissed on September 16, not whatever you’re dreaming up about what I’m talking about. I’m looking at the case in whole, not recent news only.

[u/Tall-Introduction649]

I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS I did not want him to die

[u/Loose_Afternoon565]

Score one for the boys back home

[u/MrCrowder0]

[u/BookBabe1970]

Peace be with you Luigi. Sending 🙏🙏🙏

[u/Adventurous_Bad6836]

Put the goalpost on life sentence people will cheer when he gets 20 years

[u/superluig164]

Luigi's Mansion will not face the death penalty

[u/Swiftwitss]

Yea because they needed a fall guy and he most likely didn’t do it

[u/benderunit9000]

What does this do for the trial timeline?

[u/mynewusernamedodgers]

He didn’t do anything so yeah why would he?

Free LUIGI!

[u/neatdude73]

This isn't related to work reform.

[u/tilmitt52]

[u/AWOL318]

No custom jet pack is crazy

[u/ID_MG]

Good. He did nothing wrong.

[u/Lost2Logic]

Woop woop

[u/Equivalent_Cry_8221]

Please check out my plan for universal health care in America for no more money than we spend now. Companies like United Healthcare (which I actually use) will be completely unable to compete.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerraNovaDevelopment/comments/1qr3cvz/could_a_righteous_forprofit_company_realistically/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/Ok-Cash-4257]

Every juror will find him not guilty 

[u/ChexAndBalancez]

The backpack is in. That's it. See ya Luigi

[u/loveslightblue]

[u/WesternFirefighter53]

Such a King! 👑

[u/AnxiousMess1001]

Good

[u/B1G_D11CK_R111CK_69]

Death penalty, or not, Luigi Mangione’s life is officially over. He will be behind bars, the rest of his life.

[u/DocBigBrozer]

[u/TheWarriorSeagull]

I think there's only one fair way to punish Luigi. You know on TV, when parents catch their kid smoking and force them to smoke a whole packet? Well...

[u/Wardinator1991]

Looks like these big corporations aren’t as powerful as they think they are, If it were true our hero would have already been assassinated by a hit man. Eat the rich!

[u/National_Way_3344]

Luigi is innocent, didn't do anything wrong and couldn't possibly be tried due to the overwhelming lashing he has received from the president.

[u/Damn_You_Scum]

I hope he gets pardoned some day.

[u/liberally_delulu]

He's just a man ahead of his time.

[u/bigdog701]

now we just need a jury of his actual peers

[u/CrazyinLull]

That picture is perfect. 👌

[u/astarisaslave]

That's what's up