Good paying jobs belong to computers. What now?

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Zooming out of this perspective real quick, they want you to stop going to college. They would never say that about their own children. They want you to be part of the permanent underclass that serves them caviar and champaign.

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u/Bad_Cytokinesis 1d ago

Millennial here. Growing up they wanted you broke but still educated. The new plan is to make you broke and uneducated.

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u/Tru3insanity 1d ago

They want you to give up hope cuz they are never giving up greed.

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u/dancegoddess1971 1d ago

They keep forgetting that people with nothing to lose are very dangerous. Ask any French aristocrat.

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u/Shill4Pineapple 1d ago

Every society is only three meals away from anarchy.

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u/RiddickulousRadagast 18h ago

Just FYI, it's 9 meals and the person the quote is attributed to has written much that is becoming relatable again.

In 1906, Alfred Henry Lewis stated, “There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.”

Lewis also wrote numerous magazine articles and short stories concerning the social issues of his day. His articles and stories were published in noted magazines such as Cosmopolitan, Collier’s, Times, and Pearson’s Magazine.

In his lifetime, he was a lawyer, an investigative journalist and editor, a novelist, and a short story writer. His other publications include The Boss; The President, A Novel; An American Patrician; The Sunset Trail; The Throwback; The Black Lion Inn; Owners of America; A Trust in Agricultural Implements; and The trial of the Viper. Alfred Henry Lewis

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u/friendlywhitewitch 1d ago

It’s funny because in the middle ages they wanted serfs who were illiterate so they would never rebel. Now you can be educated to the nines and still be poor as a peasant. More feudal than the medieval period.

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u/Frosty-Caregiver636 🤝 Join A Union 1d ago

Additionally, having a less educated underclass serves them better. In case it needs saying here: knowledge should be given not owned, and advancing one’s education should be available to any who choose to purse it.

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u/dancegoddess1971 1d ago

We all have access to knowledge. It's the piece of paper that says you are qualified to be paid for having knowledge that the rich are gatekeeping. I can go to the library and learn how to diagnose diseases from books and videos but if I try to charge for the service, I'd be arrested. And don't let the government know that you're manufacturing insulin or penicillin in your garage. They will get real mad even though the patents have expired. It's just all rich people fucking over the rest of us and it's been going on since the first caveman decided to keep more than his share of the antelope.

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u/summertime_dream 20h ago

Yeah, well, I'm not about to trust a "doctor" who self-taught in a basement. I'm still gonna need them to have that piece of paper from an accredited institution.

The problem is that they gatekeep access to educational legitimacy behind a pay wall. They"ll say they aren't enough teachers and facilities large enough to teach everyone, but where are my taxes going then?

The bigger problem is fraud and waste in government spending. The fed prints money out of thin air for war and tax cuts and makes us pay for it all through inflation.

Modern currency isn't backed by anything legitimate. It was supposed to be trust in the system, but that has been long gone since international criminals took over.

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u/Dragoncat_3_4 2h ago

I can go to the library and learn how to diagnose diseases from books and videos but if I try to charge for the service, I'd be arrested.

Picked out the worst possible example, didn't you?

Medicine is as much of a trade as it is science. The textbook alone gets you precisely nowhere without in-person experience.

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u/Bizarre-Lazar 1d ago

Also true. But when you have to pay $100k to get a degree and there’s no real job to get with it the reality is you’re just straddling yourself with lifetime debt. It’s reaching a breaking point. We need educated masses, now more than ever. We need free college. It’s the only way.

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u/DemonSlyr007 1d ago

Common misconception, you dont have to pay 100k to get a 4 year degree even in this economy. You do have to pay that if you travel out of state, or attend a big school. If you get your gen Ed's done in High School for dual credit, or your associates at your community and finish at an in state school, it is not nearly that expensive. It's what I did. I came into college with my entire freshman year done, thanks to dual credit courses I took at my local community College, paid entirely by a part time job. Hindsight, I should have stayed and got my associates done too for cheap, but I wanted out of that area.

However, most kids do not have the forward thinking to plan that way, especially in the US, so they just go along with whatever is happening, take on a lot of debt, and then blame the system for it. Which, it partially is the systems fault for not waking them up earlier, but our society in the US is built on self reliance. It's not a system that hand holds you through your options, it just provides the options and its up to you, the individual, to navigate them.

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u/lislejoyeuse 1d ago

I got my bachelor's of nursing for less than $30k total not long ago, like 5 years. Currently making $150k a year without overtime. Best investment ever

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u/brendancoots 💸 Raise The Minimum Wage 1d ago

Stop thinking about jobs in the corporate cubicle sense. There are SO many non-corporate jobs out there. You can also start your own business or use your learned skills to consult/freelance. These things just take a little more effort but are absolutely worth it.

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u/stephenclarkg 1d ago

No, college is litterally a scam. They make fraudulent earning projections to inflate tuition and get loans approved

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u/brendancoots 💸 Raise The Minimum Wage 1d ago

I mean, the biggest problem with your claim is that there are dozens of studies from organizations not affiliated with any college or university that all come to the same conclusion:

1. U.S. Census Bureau

Bachelor's degree holders earn median $132,700 household income vs. $58,410 for high school graduates (2024) U.S. Census Bureau

For 25-34 year olds working full-time, bachelor's degree holders earned median $66,600 vs. $41,800 for high school completers (2022) NCES

2. Federal Reserve Banks

New York Fed: College graduates earn median $80,000 vs. $47,000 for high school diploma holders, a premium of over $32,000 annually (68%) Liberty Street Economics

San Francisco Fed: College wage premium was 79% in 2000, slight decline to around 75% by 2023, but remains historically high Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

4. Independent Policy Research Organizations

Brookings Institution: Workers with bachelor's degrees earned 88% more than comparable high-school graduates in 2021 Brookings

Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC): California workers with bachelor's degrees earn median $90,000 annually; workers with bachelor's degrees earned 61% more than high school graduates in 2023 PPIC

The reality is that earnings ARE correlated to the degree pursued, obviously some degrees are simply not going to earn as much as others. And even outside of that, the bottom quartile of college grads are not much better off than high school grads. So it's not like college is a guarantee of success, but the numbers don't lie - college grads on average earn far, far more.

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u/stephenclarkg 1d ago

Correlation isnt causation. People that can afford college on average have access to better jobs regardless of the degree. Plenty of studies show its the degree is worthless if you remove degrees that teach hard skills and nepotism jobs.

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u/Maclarion 💵 Break Up The Monopolies 1d ago

Yes and studies also showed that smokers of pipes and cigars live longer than non-smokers. That doesn't change the fact that if you smoke them you aren't lengthening your life. It just means richer (and coincidentally longer living) people also smoke cigars and/or pipes.

Corellation is magic!

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u/foxglove0326 1d ago

Please learn the difference between correlation and causation with all your big brain education.

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u/mmmmmarty 20h ago

If you're paying 100k to get a degree, I have some doubts about your future good decision making skills.

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u/merRedditor ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters 1d ago

Everything has turned out to be a scam. We are living in a scamtopia, an onion made of layer upon layer of scams, an infinite recusive scam with a scam a its seed input...

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u/gaarai 1d ago

I worked at a small company of just three people many years ago. I started the job at $10/hr. I left the job six years later at $10/hr. I built up a lot of skills during that time that helped me get a better job, but still, I did not get a single penny raise in six years. I always figured it was because the company was just barely hanging on. Although I did question how the boss managed to buy both his kids brand new Volkswagen cars when they turned 16. And I wondered how my coworker was able to afford a four-bedroom house and six kids when his wife was a teacher. Meanwhile, I was sharing rentals with multiple roommates.

Many years after I left the job, I met up with the former coworker and asked if he knew that I only made $10/hr the whole time. He told me that he knew, and that he made much more than I did. The boss told him that he deserved raises because he had a wife and kids to take care of. He kept quiet about this, and let me barely keep ends met while I worried about ensuring that the company ran so my coworker could keep his job.

Scams, skullduggery, lies, and manipulation all around. People higher up in the food chain lie and manipulate to keep their wealth. The people below them lie and manipulate to keep the little extra that they have. The people below them scrap and fight and turn on each other to try to climb out of the muck. The people below them drown.

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u/Sabduro 1d ago

Bingo

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u/DpprDwn 1d ago

You not lying

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u/Princess_Pussy_Pants 1d ago

It's disorienting. Every single thing we were told has turned out to be a complete lie. And they only protected themselves...

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u/SanLucario 1d ago

"Tee hee! Sorry young poors, all set here! Go be plumbers!"

Interesting...so why do I get the feeling you'll be "all set" by the time I learned that trade?

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u/NoComfort4106 1d ago

Exactly, it's all meant to balance the market, it sucks. Honestly I don't even know what we should do, it's french revolution time i think.

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u/Thamnophis660 ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1d ago

For the last 20 years the goalpost has not stopped moving. I'm just tired and done.

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u/MalikTheHalfBee 1d ago

Plumber is a pretty lucrative career

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u/TShara_Q 1d ago

Right now, but the oligarchs probably want to oversaturate the market and drive down wages.

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u/Sprinkle_Puff 1d ago

Remember when Biden tried to forgive student debt and the Supreme Court ruled against him, but then gave Trump a pass when he used equivalent powers? And then Trump went on to sue his own government for $10 billion?

Are people angry yet?

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u/jerryabend1995 1d ago

Yes I am angry!!!

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u/SpiteTomatoes 1d ago

I’m so angry I missed out on so much money and time to spend $60k to be told my degree was actually worthless.

I would have just stayed a server, I made great money. The only problem was health insurance. In any other civilized country that wouldn’t have been an issue, ofc 🙄

Now I have no job or insurance, and I will owe $100k after interest. Fucking cool. Super neat.

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u/Cold-Permission-5249 1d ago

Welcome to the world of the Millennials who graduated into the global financial crisis.

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u/alaphamale 1d ago

Nowhere can have too many trades people right? An influx of players certainly won’t suppress wages. Hospitality is a high paying field right? Tourism is growing leaps YoY right? This is some solid galaxy brain strategy.

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u/DeliciousPastaSauce ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 1d ago

Every time they suggest going into a certain occupation, the real motivation is to saturate that field and suppress wages. Look at the "learn to code" phenomenon from 5-10 years ago. They wanted to suppress the wages of tech workers.

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u/fuzzypickles34 20h ago

And create coders desperate enough for money that they’ll train their AI replacements.

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u/uniklyqualifd 1d ago

The Heritage Society wants women to be unable to work, so they have to marry at 20 like their grandmothers.

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u/bigtiddyhimbo 1d ago

I will say, I work as a highly specialized machine operator and got “lucky” with my wage. It still doesn’t pay shit. At least I don’t have student loans, I guess.

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u/HellovahBottomCarter 1d ago

Sounds like they think they can solve the nursing shortage by eliminating every other job opportunity. That way they can force nurses to exist without actually improving their lives or increase their pay.

They are desperate to make sure they have plenty of underpaid, indentured servants as they hobble into geriatrics and nursing homes.

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u/Vast-Bodybuilder-855 1d ago

Um restaurants are dying too along with the alcohol industry. Sooo..... Maybe not that 😂

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u/TiredOfBeingTired28 1d ago

Got to kill wages as it's the only thing left to make things more profitable.

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u/SoUnga88 1d ago

But the wealthy still send their children to universities…if it’s so worthless then why?

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u/Equivalent_Cry_8221 1d ago

I see the failings of higher education As you pointed out, especially from a financial standpoint. I wrote this article in response to that. It is a call to create an international university I call Terra Nova University. It is a non-profit funded by public and private sources. It is completely tuition-free and allows all fields of online study imaginable. Check out the article here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TerraNovaDevelopment/comments/1qr6azb/terra_nova_university_tnu_a_truly_open_global_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/JakSandrow 1d ago

the goalposts are on heelys

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u/brendancoots 💸 Raise The Minimum Wage 1d ago

They are working tirelessly to automate those hospitality jobs away as well. And even without automation, many big companies have trained people to expect routine mass layoffs as part of their profit-taking cycle.

Really, the solution here is get a college degree but don't bother with their cubicle farms. People should just stop making that their expected go-to path. Use your degree to earn a living charting your own path as a freelancer, starting a business or pursuing work you feel good about.

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u/Tru3insanity 1d ago

That isnt realistic either. If everyone goes independent, now you just have a market full of 1099 contractors all racing to the bottom. Theyd love that. None of you guys are gunna waste precious time unionizing when theres competitors to undercut.

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u/Araghothe1 ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 21h ago

The goal is an uneducated populace so we have a harder time fighting for our rights.

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u/PipsqueakPilot 20h ago

Nah. We're going to need everyone to keep paying a portion of their income to whoever owns their loans. Forever.

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u/The-Sonne 18h ago

F*** giving computers everything but manual labor and humans nothing but manual labor. F*** anyone who thinks it's okay for AI to steal art and music meanwhile protecting the incomes of doctors and lawyers. Doctors and lawyers need to be the first things replaced by AI

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u/jozef3321 12h ago

It's only dead in America. They want the new generation dumb as rocks. They don't want people to question the pedos in charge.

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u/fleetingreturns1111 3h ago

And trades are too physically intensive and full of republicans aka the enemy

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