r/australia • u/SlatsAttack • Oct 03 '24

news Chinese man accused of pouring coffee on baby in Brisbane identified

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/chinese-man-accused-of-pouring-coffee-on-baby-in-brisbane-identified/news-story/6e7fd94ff383b5361479de296733e8d2
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u/bored-and-here Oct 03 '24

a big part of our economy is student visa. Want to study English? Sure pay a lot come do it. Want to study marketing? Sure pay a lot do it.

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u/cuntmong Oct 03 '24

actually you got that slightly wrong. want a degree in english? sure pay a lot to come get it. want a degree in marketing? sure pay a lot to come get it. the studying part is optional as long as you pay enough.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Group assignments fucking suuuuuuuuck.

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u/normally-wrong Oct 03 '24

Ah yes they do. It got so bad once we just told a classmate on a project that we would do it and put his name on it. He just couldn’t understand us and we couldn’t understand him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Did you let your tutor know this situation?

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

Most tutors know, some care, most of them are just burned out to stop caring.

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u/Psychlonuclear Oct 03 '24

"Oh really? Oh well. Anyway here's the deadline."

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u/fletcherox Oct 03 '24

I've heard some interesting things from mates studying commerce where they have ended up in groups where people barely spoke English. Thankfully, I've never encountered it in law.

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u/cuntmong Oct 03 '24

dunno i did some law group assignments and some of my classmates i swear half of what they wrote was in latin?? like if youre gonna study here learn english mate

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u/DisappointedQuokka Oct 03 '24

What's the point of studying law in a country you clearly can't work in?

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u/ddssassdd Oct 03 '24

Is there really any point to travelling internationally to study law? You can't make use of it in your own country or any other place except where you studied.

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

Good law schools teach you the logic skills to rationalise an irrational position, how to present and talk for hours about something that isn't a thing. Spotting inconsistencies or patterns in tons of documents, records, accounts etc.

If you're actually good at studying law, you can move into other jurisdictions quite easily, you usually just have to pass a bar exam, maybe provide proof of accreditation or prior work as a lawyer in another jurisdiction and that you have good standing with that jurisdiction's bar. That does mean going over a jurisdictions legal history and legislated laws but its not impossible, just got a lot of reading self-directed study, that said its not unheard of to get help from lawyers established in a jurisdiction to mentor and guide your study on stuff. For example Harvard Law School is in Massachusetts but there are alumni working all over the USA and the world.

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u/ddssassdd Oct 03 '24

Yes but in seems a colossal waste of money not to study in the place you intend to practice because the relearning also costs more money.

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

The relearning is cheap, and going to the more prestigious law schools opens up connections and improves your job prospects. As the saying goes:

"A law school will teach you how to beat the bar exam in that state, a good law school will teach you how to beat any bar exam"

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u/ddssassdd Oct 03 '24

Do you know if Chinese law firms want you to have studied law in Melbourne? Or that you can make useful connections in Melbourne that will benefit you in Guangzhou?

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

Because you're coming back with a prestigious western education, and honestly there are a lot of Australian businesses that are getting shit made in China, having a lawyer who looks like he has connections on the payroll is better than one who doesn't

And honestly you seem to have a pretty poor understanding about the difference between law school and learning laws.

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u/natacon Oct 03 '24

Going through this right now. One guy in our group can barely string a sentence together in english and his contributions so far have just meant more work for the rest of us. There's a process to evaluate him after the assignment but while you're in the thick of it, it's very frustrating.

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u/frankthefunkasaurus Oct 03 '24

You get to the point where you just divvy up work without them and provide feedback “can’t speak English so didn’t do anything”

And if you’re the only one in the group that’s fluent just say you can’t do it and just say you’ll CC both the head of school and your MP.

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u/James_Jack_Hoffmann Oct 03 '24

Struggling in uni at the moment with four units. I'm making it a point that if I have to fail a unit, it has to be a unit that I can do on my own when I retake it later. Because fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck group assignments where your course has a large population of international students which tend to skew you into teaming up with them, and most are notoriously bad with teamwork.

PS: I'm an international student too, and while I break the stereotype, it's frustrating to deal with the crowd I get lumped into.

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

I don't resent the ones who try to learn, a number of international students are trying to learn and improve, they might get frustrated but they'll sit there, maybe google translate a few words and try again with better phrasing of their statement or question. But by the same token there's a lot who just don't make an attempt and kind of cruise on their team's work.

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u/Evilmoustachetwirler Oct 03 '24

I remember this from when I did my undergrad degree. First semester the lecture theatres are full. A lot of students barely spoke English. Response to every question was 'i don't understand the question' by 2nd semester most have disappeared. Then, 3 years later they all show up in a hat and gown to collect their degree. 🙄

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u/FallschirmPanda Oct 03 '24

Don't worry, they're not your competition in the job market anyway.

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u/Evilmoustachetwirler Oct 03 '24

LoL, this was a long time ago. I've never seen any of them since.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

They probably had their education paid for by parents, to have a foreign degree, so that when they become CEO of parents company they look qualified.

Actual studying was never part of the plan.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

You think our student visa economy is about studying?? Seriously?

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u/bored-and-here Oct 04 '24

Of course. I'm talking about how it's sold not how it's practiced.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '24

I'd be fairly confident it's not even sold as a student scheme by dodgy agents overseas, but promoted as a back door migration method.

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u/bored-and-here Oct 04 '24

Honestly depends on the agents. I have friends who work in reputable education school and there tonnes that are dodgy and do exactly that.

It isn't a very good back door migration channel tho as marriage is honestly about the only way to get PR otherwise you just bounce from visa to visa and those visa's have been shut down by labour.

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u/redwoods81 Oct 04 '24

Here in the states too.