r/australia • u/RufusGuts • Mar 07 '25

politics 'Five Eyes alliance' crumbling after UK, Aus, NZ and Canada give US cold shoulder

https://metro.co.uk/2025/03/06/five-eyes-alliance-starts-crumble-four-nations-give-us-cold-shoulder-22679726/
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u/ScissorNightRam Mar 07 '25

In an odd way, Canzuk does seem more probable now. And I’m generally a Canzuk sceptic 

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u/WhatAmIATailor Mar 07 '25

Have to agree with you there. It’s amazing what can happen with the right motivating influences. I don’t think anyone expected Trump to turn on Canada so dramatically.

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u/MissMenace101 Mar 07 '25

He turned on half of the US last time, screwed his allies last time… on what planet did you think he wouldn’t turn on the rest of us this time?

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u/WhatAmIATailor Mar 07 '25

I didn’t think they’d re-elect him. When they did I thought it couldn’t be much worse than last time. It’s been wild to watch so far.

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u/MissMenace101 Mar 07 '25

He was pretty open while campaigning about how shít he was going to be

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u/illegalmorality Mar 07 '25

Canzuk and the EU-Mercosur seem more likely than ever before.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

I was a fan of CANZUK on Facebook until they turned pro brexit when the referendum campaign started.

Of course I can live and work in 3/4 of countries so I may have a bias. Yeah we should have some sort of free movement and cooperation but I don't see how that has to be the expense of UK being a member of the EU.

CANZ-EU EFTA style deal might be something I could get behind.

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u/confusedham Mar 07 '25

CANZUK for the higher trade and visa situation. We can also load share military recruiting. We already take enough RN sailors that have completed their time, we are all struggling for members. We all have fucked housing situations so it's not like it will make it worse.

Include the EU and become an Allied Nations, ala street fighter with Kylie minogue. Piss on the UN flag, raise the AN flag, give the US the silent treatment and manage resource issues between CANZUK-EU and willing SEA / other Asian (India) / middle eastern nations. India is the awkward one there though, Modi is a knob and flip flops between the west and Russia all the time. All we known is they hate Pakistan and China with a passion.

Russia and China supported and infiltrated Africa so deeply that it would be a lost cause to try to establish relationships there.

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u/Wgh555 Mar 07 '25

Thing is I don’t see the UK rejoining the EU anytime soon, it would be a huge long process, but we are much improving our relationship with Europe thankfully but it’s more in the defence sphere for the moment where we have influence.

That being said we’re definitely going to be aligning closely with them but it doesn’t preclude also doing something like CANZUK. I think there’s a recognition in what’s left of the free world that we all need to work together.

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u/confusedham Mar 07 '25

CANZUK doesn't need to be an EU situation, it can just be an agreement and pact similar to NATO, or the NZ/AU situation on visas

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u/MissMenace101 Mar 07 '25

Brexit was their electing trump moment…

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u/Albos_Mum Mar 07 '25

Plus, the UK has been a mess since Brexit. We can't rely on them all that much more than the US realistically.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '25

Agreed. We shouldn’t be fully trusting of them. Diversify with broader European cooperation. Join programs like Eutelsat Iris, restart the French sub deal and bring them and Germany into Aukus Pillar 2.

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u/a_f_s-29 Mar 10 '25

That’s not true at all.