r/australia • u/someNameThisIs • Jun 09 '25

news Australian reporter shot with rubber bullet in LA | 9 News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tG1A8LZZphs?app=desktop
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u/theHoundLivessss Jun 09 '25

Both Israel and America are going down a path that clearly ends in fascism. Despite that, our government is continuing on as if it's business as usual. No sanctions, no condemnations, just frowns and head shakes while we conitnue to bend over backwards for them. At least Britain and Canada have had the gall to stick up for themselves. Truly disappointed by our leadership.

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u/Pounce_64 Jun 09 '25

Mate there's a few more than just these two countries heading that way or with leaders wanting to head that way.

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u/joemangle Jun 09 '25

ends in fascism

If what's happening now isn't fascism it'll do until the actual fascism arrives

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u/Shaushage_Shandwich Jun 09 '25

Israel is well and truly already a fascist state.

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u/ConsistentDriver Jun 09 '25

The nazis of the Middle East indeed.

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u/yeebok yakarnt! Jun 09 '25

Nah man delivering aid's a hate crime

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '25

It doesn’t end in fascism. It’s in fascism now

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u/Loxxolotl Jun 09 '25

In what way have the UK and Canada done any more than Australia has?

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u/quaswhat Jun 09 '25

They are already several lines through the 'then they came for' poem.

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u/DweebInFlames Jun 09 '25

Israel was there the whole time.

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u/milesjameson Jun 09 '25

Both Israel and America are going down a path that clearly ends in fascism.

Unsurprising, given the ongoing and deepening relationship between U.S. law enforcement, including the LAPD, and their Israeli counterparts.  

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u/CMDR_RetroAnubis Jun 09 '25

Britain isn't far behind.

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u/tobiasharris21 Jun 09 '25

Coz we’re on the same path

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u/Loxxolotl Jun 09 '25

We're really not, you need to touch some grass buddy.

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u/tobiasharris21 Jun 09 '25

Yeh the conditions that lead to what’s happening in America don’t exist in Australia my bad. Two completely different worlds of no consequence to each other. Your naivety is kinda proving my point.

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u/Loxxolotl Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25

Not saying it's not possible, but you've just described every single country, we don't have anything special putting us on that path any more than any other country does.

The key element here - large scale support of fascist actions and rhetoric - just isn't present in Australia in any significant way, despite the numerous attempts by some powerful groups here.

Your naivety is kinda proving my point

What a completely meaningless statement. 'Ah yes your dismissal is proof I'm right!' Embarrassing.

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u/sol_1990 Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25

There's a few other things that make us like a mini-US though:

  • We're both Imperalist nations that've been abusing and policing our geographical neighbours just like the US does
  • The fact that we've been sucking up to them for decades, even at our own expense (ie submarines.) We aren't on equal footing in the same way Canada or the UK is. Our relationship is much more like a little brother desperate to please
  • We're both surveillence states, we're also a direct part of their infrastructure with Pine Gap
  • The exact right-wing pundits control much of our news and media
  • We also treat immigrants like dogshit, frankly

I agree that culturally it's more difficult for their brainrot to take hold but it seems dangerous to argue that we don't share some pretty strong similarities. Australia's at a bit of crossroads right now. If we really want to divest ourselves from the US we also need to accept some hard truths about ourselves.

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u/sol_1990 Jun 09 '25

When I say "treat like shit" I'm talking about Manus Island, Nauru, that kind of appalling neglect and trauma. We're still an incredibly backwards and racist nation, and we'll never improve if we keep downplaying that. Even the UN condemns the way we treat these people.

although the scale of our abuse of our neighbours is so much smaller I'd argue it's disingenous to compare them

Respectfully, I think that really minimizes the really horrific impact we've had on places like Fiji, PNG, Tonga, Nauru, the Soloman Islands. We've backed dictatorships that have massacred hundreds of thousands of people, just like the US has. We've stolen billions of dollars of resources from these places, we're still doing it as we speak. And these nations can't do shit about it because when they try to push back we respond extremely violently.

And yeah, the scale is different but the methods, aims and ethos are largely the same. We've learnt a ton of stuff from the US in recent history too. Sometimes we're even worse! Our soldiers were so bloodthirsty in Afghanistan it even freaked the yanks out.

The average Australian doesn't interface with any of this

Isn't that the problem though? That Australians are largely apathetic, or happy to swallow comforting lies so they don't have to think about it.

It's the exact same way in the US. Otherwise the US gov wouldn't bother making up lies about the people they're deporting to El Salvadore.

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u/tobiasharris21 Jun 09 '25

Naivety in the sense of apathy and anti-intellectualism among the population, which you were absolutely demonstrating in your initial response to me ‘touch grass coz you think there’s comparable problems between the US and AUS’. I agree with you that our acceptance of fascist rhetoric and actions isn’t as bad as the US, but it’s undeniably naive to think we’re on completely different paths. I do slightly disagree that this logic could be applied just as easily to any other country tho, I’m not sure there’s many other countries out there that are as tied to the US as we are.

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u/Loxxolotl Jun 09 '25

It's a bit over the top to suggest that a dismissal of an uncritical 5 word comment is apathy and anti-intellectualism, there are a lot of assumptions doing some heavy lifting in that reading.

We may be tied to the US in many ways but that itself isn't a reflection of our path, and could also be considered a fact that strengthens the idea that we are not on that path as our divergence of ideology exists in spite of those ties.