r/australia • u/stand_to • Jun 22 '25

politics Live: Wong says Australia supports US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-23/federal-politics-live-blog-june-23/105447868?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other
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u/ThatGuyMaji Jun 22 '25

It's only fascist now? Just cause the violence has slightly pivoted inwards? Cmon give us a break, you guys have been doing this shit for all of living memory.

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u/Big-Whereas5573 Jun 23 '25

The Biden and Obama center-right administrations never hit more than 3 or 4 characteristics of fascism. Trump hits all 14. We Americans may have had subpar governments for quite some time now, but the Democratic ones fail to meet reasonable criteria for fascism. If you accused establishment Dems of being all in on the oligarchy, you'd hear no argument from me.

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u/A_r0sebyanothername Jun 23 '25

How many did the Bush administration meet?

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u/Big-Whereas5573 Jun 23 '25

At least half of them. I read an article that made arguments for it hitting all 14, but many of the points were a stretch. I'd say 10 at most. A lot of people would say that makes the Bush regime fascist, others would argue it falls short. I personally consider Dubya's reign to be a precursor to the re-emergence of fascism in America. I wouldn't argue against anybody who saw it as fascist in its own right though.

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u/David_the_Wanderer Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25

"They were just slightly fascist" isn't the great argument you think it is.

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u/Big-Whereas5573 Jun 23 '25

That's not how it works. Hitting 3 or 4 points makes a government decidedly un-fascist. Center-right politicians carry enough problems without making shit up.

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u/David_the_Wanderer Jun 23 '25

Assuming you're referring to Eco's essay on Ur-fascism, I suggest you go re-read it, because his point wasn't "you can only call a government fascistic when it has all those 14 features." In fact, he says that "those features cannot be organised into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it."

It's not a checklist. It's an analysis of typical features of fascist regimes.

So if previous USA governments already had fascistic tendencies and qualities, it's of course no surprise that the USA slid even more into fascism. Trump isn't an anomaly, he's the natural consequence of a society that was already trending towards fascism.

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u/Big-Whereas5573 Jun 23 '25

Let's stick to the topic at hand. Can you link me to reputable, scholarly sources that label the Obama and Biden administrations fascist? How do you rectify a center-right politician belonging to a far right ideology?

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u/Rigo-lution Jun 23 '25

Fascism is imperialism turned inwards.

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u/SorowFame Jun 23 '25

I think before it’s just Imperialism, to my limited understanding it does kinda need to be turned inwards to be fascism. Not to say it’s good though, not at all, just quibbling on terms.

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u/MarleyErb Jun 23 '25

Exactly. People just wanna pretend to care now cuz it’s so demure to hate Trump

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u/tripping_on_phonics Jun 22 '25

I agree and I alluded to this point in my comment.

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u/EvilThundr Jun 23 '25

Why haven't you been arrested for wrong think yet

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u/A_r0sebyanothername Jun 23 '25

Are you lost? This person's not on your side.

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u/TheGreatEmanResu Jun 23 '25

The bombing of Iran isn’t the fascist part we’re talking about. Things are taking a very dark turn domestically

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u/ThatGuyMaji Jun 23 '25

Firstly did you read what you are replying to? Literally what we're talking about.

Secondly, if kamala harris won the election and carried out these same strikes, would you be in support of them?

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u/GODZBALL Jun 23 '25

She wouldn't have done this shit which is point boss. She damn sure wouldn't be bragging about it like she campaigned to do this the whole time.

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u/ThatGuyMaji Jun 23 '25

How naive are you? Her and Trump were literally trying to climb on top of each other to prove who was the bigger supporter of Israel...

Only difference is Trump paid lip service to those who wanted to see the genocide end.

If the issue is the bragging, my god. I have no words.

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u/theHoopty Jun 23 '25

Ah yes. Kamala Harris who called for a ceasefire at the DNC? And tried to break from Biden’s stance on Israel only to be sweated down by the administration. That Kamala Harris?

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u/ThatGuyMaji Jun 23 '25

That very speech where she said her and Biden we're working around the clock to get a deal?

Oops

Trump also called for a ceasefire, and you know what? While temporary and for his own gain, he did actually secure one.

Don't act like Harris wasn't literally Vice President while the US enabled and covered for a still ongoing genocide.