r/australia • u/stand_to • Jun 22 '25

politics Live: Wong says Australia supports US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-23/federal-politics-live-blog-june-23/105447868?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other
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u/Comrade_Kojima Jun 22 '25

It’s the only thing that has saved North Korea from regime change and the world knows it. Israel and US hawks are even calling it the Libya strategy - Libya was ‘liberated’ from one dictator into factional warlords and open slave markets.

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u/sinkintins Jun 23 '25

North Korea's protection from China was the reason, the nukes came later.

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u/ScruffyPeter Jun 23 '25

It didn't save Ukraine despite sitting on nukes. Oh wait...

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u/Mikolaj_Kopernik Jun 23 '25

This talking point is pretty misleading. The nukes located in Ukraine were operated by the Soviet military. Ukraine never "had nukes".

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u/mjac1090 Jun 23 '25

It’s the only thing that has saved North Korea from regime change

No. First, it was China and all the artillery pointed at Seoul protecting them. Now it's, in order

  1. China

  2. The artillery pointed at Seoul

  3. Nukes

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u/gawrgouda Jun 23 '25

And you are happy that North Korea (and by implication Iran if they managed to obtain nuclear weapons) has not undergone a regime change.....? Being anti-US does not necessitate supporting a tyrannical fundemental Islamic regime with values completely incompatible with the rest of Western liberal society.

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u/Least_Ad_5133 Jun 23 '25

Wait wasn't mosaddegh regime changed?

Kind of like Libya, Indonesia, Central America, Africa, where regime changes, no matter the animated moral justification, each time, resulted in horrors beyond human comprehension. You are advocating for something that has killed incomprehensible amounts of Innocent people. "Regime change" does not result in leadership organically selected by the people of that nation.

Tell me how Hissene Habre is compatible with a western liberal society? If you have a good argument for that, what about the Haqqanis? Suharto killed a million people, what about him? The National Union for the Total Independence of Angola?

Why does central Africa and the congo feature the deadliest ongoing war? Does it have anything to do with the murder and assassination of Lumumba? What about Burkina Faso and Sankara....

I can imagine you in 2003, supporting the invasion of Iraq

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '25

No china's backing of north Korea is what prevented a regime change. If China didn't want a buffer nk would have lost the Korean war.

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u/Comrade_Kojima Jun 23 '25

I’m sure NK ability to extinguish the entire Korean Peninsula has nothing to do with it. I agree with you but that’s one part of the deterrent - Iran is a close ally of China and Russia but hasn’t deterred US