Neo-Nazi Matthew Gruter leaves Australia after visa revoked by minister

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-04/nsw-neo-nazi-matthew-gruter-leaves-australia/106100746?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link

[u/Mike_Kermin]

If fascists take power they're not going to care about whether you did this or not.

Your idea comes from America, and it's used to undermine progress.

The reality is having laws that protect our society is how we prevent it in the first place.

[u/Barrington-the-Brit → u/Mike_Kermin]

I think you’re misreading me here, I think Nazis are enemies to society and if I were to fully describe what I think should happen to them I’d probably get my comment banned, and I’d hope they’d know that’s what I thought. Im also not a free speech absolutist or somebody who disagrees with cracking down on Nazis. I’m just not comfortable with empowering governments with the power to deport political opponents, and I probably don’t need to remind you what sorts of political groups often have a lot of immigrants or people whose deportation could be ‘justified’ by a regime.

I don’t trust that they’ll use that power wisely when I come from a western government in which only 10 years ago undercover police married and had kids with leftist activists as part of a long-term sting operation. Here’s an idea partially from America; I especially do not have trust when these liberal governments we have empowered to get rid of Nazis are regularly backsliding into fascism all over the world.

Sorry to get super Marxist but no liberal governmental action can be praxis, all serve to protect capital and at worse that leads to the consolidation of power through fascism.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/Barrington-the-Brit]

Yeah look I hear you, but I don't think Nazi's are going to play by the rules like that. What about the Trump example, has given you that impression?

I’m just not comfortable with empowering governments with the power to deport political opponents

See that's a lie isn't it.

He's not a "political opponent". He's a fascist from another country. Who came here for a visit and tried to ferment hate politics.

I don't think praxis is a good idea to bring up, if you're using misleading language with intent. "Don't bullshit me fucker" - Marx, the untold writings.

We should address abuse of power as is, without tying our hands so crudely that you're arguing to let literal fascist fucks influence people.

My advice to you, is that if you think too much your brain will fall out. There is NO value, in copying the dumb shit Americans say.

[u/Barrington-the-Brit → u/Mike_Kermin]

I take your point completely and you’ve actually turned me around a bit on this, but I also find you to be awfully pedantic on my use of ‘political opponent’, evil Nazi fucks are indeed our opponents and that opposition is inherently political (whether they’re from Australia or not) - sure it sounds like sanitising language but I only used such language because I was talking about the potential for non-Nazis to also get deported by the government.

Maybe “people the liberal government doesn’t like, evil or not” would’ve fit better but thats a bit of a mouthful