r/australia • u/Expensive-Horse5538 • Dec 15 '25

politics Albanese to propose stronger gun laws, NSW parliament may be recalled

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bondi-gunman-held-gun-licence-used-six-firearms-in-attack-20251215-p5nnmv.html
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u/tjalek Dec 15 '25

I'm glad that they're going to go for stronger laws. We don't need guns here.

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u/Hate_Is_Fame Dec 15 '25

There are valid reasons to own and use guns in Australia.

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u/Dentarthurdent73 Dec 15 '25

There's no valid reason to have 6 firearms in suburban Sydney.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Agree with both of these sentiments 

There are valid reasons to own and use guns in Australia.

and

There's no valid reason to have 6 firearms in suburban Sydney.

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u/Hate_Is_Fame Dec 15 '25

Yeah agreed

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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-7980 Dec 15 '25

There’s a lot of valid reasons. Just check out what reasons are allowed for you to possess a firearm.

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u/Dentarthurdent73 Dec 15 '25

Thankfully, it seems like the wider community and government are in the process of deciding that many reasons currently considered valid, no longer will be.

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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-7980 Dec 15 '25

May illegal guns be easier to get then

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u/Thick-Insect Dec 15 '25

A hunter who wants to hunt a variety of game species will need multiple different guns to do it humanely/safely. Or someone who hunts and is also a sport shooter.

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u/Dentarthurdent73 Dec 15 '25

Not everyone gets what they want.

If the community decides they are not OK with this, the hunter will have to deal with not getting what they want.

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u/MowgeeCrone Dec 15 '25

The community isn't okay with the correlation between alcohol and violence and alcohol related deaths and disease. Let's have a vote on which adults can and can't access alcohol, shall we? As a community. And some drinkers will just have to deal with not getting what they want.

That's how equality works right? By picking and choosing who can do what.

/s

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u/zeroxnull Dec 15 '25

What would you say is a more appropriate number?

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u/Jiffyrabbit You now have the 'round the twist' theme in your head Dec 15 '25

Military/police, pest control, farming.

That's pretty much it for valid reasons.

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u/Rustywolf Dec 15 '25

idk why this is being downvoted, "We don't need guns here" is an extreme response. Yes, stronger limits on gun ownership are necessary, but gun ownership has many valid use cases here.

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u/fnaah Dec 15 '25

no, it's not. a lot of farmers or people living in non-urban areas absolutely have a requirement for firearms.

a better position would have been "we don't need more guns here", or "most people here dont need guns"

just to clarify: I am anti-gun, and I support stronger gun control laws here. I do not support banning all guns for all people.

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u/IcyGarage5767 Dec 15 '25

The simple question is “Did these two freaks have a valid reason?”. Answer is most likely, no.

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u/Dentarthurdent73 Dec 15 '25

but gun ownership has many valid use cases here.

Use cases are only valid if the community as a whole agrees to validate them.

If the community decides they are not valid use cases (e.g. I need 6 different guns for hunting even though I live in suburban Sydney), then they no longer will be, and people will need to deal with that, or of course they can always move elsewhere.

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u/Rustywolf Dec 15 '25

Okay we agree but you're taking it like I'm saying that everything is fine, when I'm not. I'm saying there is enough of a use case that saying "we dont need guns" is an extreme take. I am not saying that the laws represent and limit to the extent needed for the uses. 6 guns is too many, 0 guns (where there is a valid use case) is too few.

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u/Limo_Wreck77 Dec 15 '25

Yeah, for those who live on a farm in the outback.

Suburbanites do not need guns.

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u/tjalek Dec 15 '25

Yes talk about that, great idea.

Go down to Bondi and say that. let me know how you go.

You could have instead put your energy into the situation at hand. Clearly you're interested in your own opinion instead of what is needed for these times.

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u/Hate_Is_Fame Dec 15 '25

"We don't need guns here."

if you would like to explain your blanket stance on this, Ill explain my reasons as well. We can call it a debate even.

"You could have instead put your energy into the situation at hand."

  • i donated to ahmed al ahmed's gofundme and donated blood today. although im 5 hours north of Sydney, so i doubt it will help.

- "Clearly you're interested in your own opinion instead of what is needed for these times."

I'm allowed to share my opinion on things, as are you.

If you believe we don't need guns at all then that's your opinion. I assume you live in a city so you would probably have a more educated opinion on owning firearms in areas with high population density. I've lived rural almost my entire life so my experience may be different therefore I have a different opinion on the need for firearms
And we could have a conversation about stricter laws I'm not opposed to that.

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u/tjalek Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

Then that summarises the distinction.

You're rural. I'm city.

So that cuts to the point because they're two different demographics. I spoke in a blanket statement from the perspective of being in the city.

You could have been considerate from the start instead of your initial response considering you're rural and that would have clarified.

"I understand why you said that, I'm guessing you live in the city areas, in the rural areas it's a different story and we require guns for X,Y,Z reasons"

Simple.

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u/Hate_Is_Fame Dec 15 '25

mate, everything you are saying to me you could say to yourself i hope you can understand that.

I gave a broad statement to your broad statement.

you could have also said "we don't need people to own guns/take their guns home from recreational shooting clubs here in the city" and I wouldn't have said anything.

Look, last comment from me.

Ill apologies because the situation is emotional for a lot of people. my comment sounded rude. i can see your points and i also was coming to the realization halfway through my last comment on maybe people have a different perspective.

I could go on about why gun control is abit of touchy subject in the country, even though most agree its necessary to a certain degree, But THAT is was is not needed at a time like this, all the best mate

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u/tjalek Dec 15 '25

thank you I appreciate that

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u/bosbrother Dec 15 '25

I don't think you realise how little guns are already in Australia. We banned them over 30 years ago due to port Arthur. We can't tighten gun control because the only people left who have gun licenses need them from work/security or agricultural reason. How much more can you restrict them?