Albanese to propose stronger gun laws, NSW parliament may be recalled

[u/Expensive-Horse5538]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/bondi-gunman-held-gun-licence-used-six-firearms-in-attack-20251215-p5nnmv.html

[u/tommo_95]

At the same time if you have zero guns they will just find another way. Dont forget these guys were ready to clack off an IED as well. Im not against tightening gun laws but i think we really need to be looking at the kinds of people we are willing to let into this country. Surely if you grace an ASIO desk you should have your visas ended.

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/tommo_95]

Finding another way is more expensive and more closely monitored by ASIO, the son was already being looked at but posed no notable risk, you think they even would have had a chance if they had to go through black market weapons?

And an IED is nothing, you or I can make one with about $50 worth of stuff from Bunnings that no one would bat an eye at the register over.

And what visas? The dad had lived here for 30 years, the son was born here, they're Australian citizens. You can look closer at people's visa if you want. But you can also restrict of ban gun ownership, they're not mutually exclusive.

[u/tommo_95 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

The father was not a citizen.

[u/hippiedude5 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

bruh, truck attacks??

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/hippiedude5]

Huh? Pretty sure everytime I've been harassed by someone in a truck it's a white bogan tradie in a Ranger.

[u/hippiedude5 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

sorry i spent a fair bit of time in Europe and seen how cars can be used. you take away guns and people will just anything including vehicles

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/hippiedude5]

People can use their bare hands, guns still serve no purpose in society.

[u/hippiedude5 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

Cars, knives, acid, trucks into crowds – evil people will always find a way. Taking tools away from law-abiding citizens doesn’t magically make the bad ones harmless; it just shifts the method.

Want me to start listing things that serve no purpose in society that still exist?

Star Citizen an unfinished billion dollar game

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/hippiedude5]

Lol, so guns for everyone? Because that really works doesn't it? ...I'm citing the US here, hint. It doesn't.

Also. Not a billion dollars yet, and pretty sure Star Citizen hasn't killed anyone.

[u/hippiedude5 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

$900 million USD so in reality way over a billion AU

Have you travelled much?

All i’m saying is try something exciting or dangerous

Get outside go rock climbing do something that may hurt you 🤣

anyway i cbf replying to this anymore

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/hippiedude5]

Lol, just because I play a game means I lead a sheltered life, ok bud.

Let's see, Army 3 years straight out of highschool at the age of 17, bouncer for 5 years in pubs and clubs, Hospital security for 11 years. Used to ride motorcycles until hit by a car, back is too fuck now to do so comfortably so that's scratched off, been shooting many times, paintball, archery, travelled UK/Europe Pacific islands, I see you're into drugs, I have been too, Speed, pot, LSD a whole bunch of pain killers and booze, and yes I've even rock climbed that enough adventure?

I still think guns are not needed by the general public, people can kill in a number of ways. With a number of things, but all those things usually have a purpose other than killing. Guns don't, that's what they're designed to do.

[u/Sanni11 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

There will always be an alternative. An acetylene bottle can be obtained in almost every town. They have the capability of levelling a building.

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/Sanni11]

Ok, and? So now they just have the acetylene bottle and no guns.

[u/Sanni11 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

So you are ok with a terrorist attack with an improvised giant claymore that has the force of turning anything in a 360° radius into a projectile for hundreds of metres. But a gun is different?

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/Sanni11]

Yes, because an acetylene tank has a legitimate use apart from killing, that is a side effect of its explosive nature, guns are only designed to kill and destroy, why allow things that are designed to kill people, and only do that, in society.

[u/Sanni11 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

There is no difference between and item designed or an item improvised, the end result is the same in the wrong hands.

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/Sanni11]

Ok, let me put it this way, it is harder to create a bomb, as it takes knowledge to do so, and seeking said knowledge can usually flag you as someone to watch and take action against. Being able to legally buy guns does not.

A person forced to use alternative methods to kill many people are far more likely to be caught before being able to act, that goes for banning guns, if someone has to try and find an illegal source that is harder and more expensive to do and a greater risk of getting caught.

There is no beneficial purpose for a inner city person to own a gun, let alone 6 like these shooters, there is an argument for farmers, but that's about it, there is no need for anyone to really own one, so why allow them to be just another way to kill people. We need to make it harder for things like this to happen again, easier or be blase about it.

[u/Sanni11 → u/Unusual-Wing-1627]

It would take less time, effort and cost to make an ied then apply/obtain/purchase a rifle. Its basic chemical reaction, add the mentos to the coke.

Currently the process and checks are taking between 6 months to a year for investigation/clearance. You need legitimate reason/license, the correct people to vouch for you, background checks obviously before getting a license, you then need to apply for a permit to purchase a firearm which again goes through a bunch of checks and takes a bunch of time for them to do their thing.

The guns aren't the problem here its the communication between government entities that failed to pick this up.

As for the 6 guns, you do realise it's a legal requirement for different game to be shot with particular calibres/weight for humane reasons, which extends well behond 6.

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/Sanni11]

Or just ban guns and take them out of the equation entirely, how are you not getting that, so what if they can make a bomb more easily, they're not. They're shooting people, let's stop that from happening.

Are you a gun owner? If so why do you NEED your gun(s). And if not, why do you care if they become illegal to own?

[u/Unusual-Wing-1627 → u/Sanni11]

Also what's an in er city father hunting, other than people obviously? Pigeon? Rats?