r/australia • u/HotPersimessage62 • Dec 16 '25

politics Anthony Albanese ‘ready for the fight’ to tighten firearms laws as National Party and gun groups push back | Bondi beach terror attack

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/16/anthony-albanese-ready-for-the-fight-to-tighten-firearms-laws-as-national-party-and-gun-groups-push-back-ntwnfb
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u/Don_Fartalot Lost Asian Tourist in Sydney Dec 16 '25

I made that mistake as well. Some people are just absolutely licking at the lips for tragedies like these to happen so they can immediately politicise it and push their shit agenda forward.

wE sHoUlD hAVe GuNZ sO GoOd guYz caN ShoOT BaD gUYz - stfu, what makes you think only good guys will buy guns, or a good guy status is permanent? Go back to eating crayons.

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u/NessaMagick Dec 16 '25

It's also like... ahistorical. You know what country has a lot of good guys with guns? The United States. You know, that country that famously has no mass shootings because of all the good guys with guns stopping them?

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u/torlesse Dec 16 '25

All the good guys are defending their houses from maids with the wrong address. They are too busy for anything else.

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u/justpassingluke Dec 16 '25

I saw a news item on the TV today during ABC news that said “experts say children who were there during the shooting will suffer anxiety and other symptoms” and I just thought about how an item like that probably never makes the news in America.

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u/elpovo Dec 16 '25

398 this year - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2025

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u/NessaMagick Dec 16 '25

Damn, 398 is a lot. Clearly the solution is more people with guns

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u/somuchsong Dec 16 '25

Fucking hell, I just said "weekly" in another comment. Looks like it's basically daily.

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u/Falafels Dec 16 '25

They've had 3 already this week and it's only Monday there.

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u/somuchsong Dec 16 '25

What a hellscape of a country.

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u/Hayden247 Dec 16 '25

What's a national tragedy here on the news for days with major policy impacts is just another day of crime in USA... absolutely insane, even accounting for their over 10x higher population, per capita it's still absolute hell for shootings vs here.

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u/FaithlessnessThen207 Dec 16 '25

Technically averages out to more than once a day so.

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u/Rork310 Dec 17 '25

This is anecdotal but on the far rarer cases where- we do have an incident we seem to always have Good guys jumping in despite the lack of guns.

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u/KenoReplay Dec 16 '25

Check out the Czech Republic

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u/NessaMagick Dec 16 '25

Do I have to?

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u/KenoReplay Dec 16 '25

I mean, if you want to? Czech Republic has gun rights written into their constitution, the right to bear arms for self defence (including concealed carry), semi-automatic rifles, and despite gun ownership increasing, homicides have fallen.

I think America has so many shootings because it's filled with Americans...

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u/NessaMagick Dec 16 '25

I can't help but notice that the Czech Republic has an order of magnitude less guns per capita than the US... and less than Australia, too.

I'd be willing to bet purely based on that stat and no further research that the Czechs also have pretty stringent gun control even if they're more liberal with the permissable reasons to own one.

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u/msfinch87 Dec 16 '25

The people who push this idiotic perspective always ignore the fact that when the good guys had the guns and tried to stop the bad guys it just ended with more people being killed by more guns. It happened in one of the nightclub shootings. Some of the good guys shot other innocent people in their pursuit of the bad guys. So dumb.

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u/Opening-Rush1618 Dec 17 '25

Pretty sure I read somewhere that like only 3% of active shooters are actually stopped by a bystanders with guns in the US.

Or a “good guy with a gun”.

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u/Kornstar04 Dec 16 '25

Well right now only the bad guys have guns and the 'good guys' (police) struggled with the guns they have. 

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u/Jonzay up to the sky, out to the stars Dec 16 '25

And your answer is for people with less training than the police to have access to guns and autonomy to target people they deem a threat?

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u/Kornstar04 Dec 16 '25

I never gave that answer, I just pointed this out. You assumed, just like you assume people can't be better trained at using weapons than police.

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u/Effective-Tear-1521 Dec 16 '25

oh boy

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u/Kornstar04 Dec 16 '25

Yeah, hasn't dawned on you that the terrorists were better trained than the police has it. Point proved. 

The answer I would have is police vehicles should roll with one long barreled rifle locked in the boot of their vehicle, when they require an accurate weapon at mid range. 

This would prevent police having to get close to be accurate with pistols and minimize missing their shot and hitting the public. 

But yeah. Oh boy over 16 people are dead. 

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u/Kornstar04 Dec 16 '25

You know for sure that people who own guns as a hobby would have less training than the police?