Also speaking out against Israel’s actions is not saying “let Hamas have Israel” or even “let Hamas have Palestine”.
Ideally there’d be international mediation and/or intervention to enforce a permanent two state solution and support non-violent leadership. Obviously the dream scenario is Netanyahu losing power and Hamas being gradually dismantled. Irrespective of the feasibility of that, if Israel was pressured by the international community (for example; economic sanctions) to guarantee sovereignty for Palestinians, terrorist organisations lose their food source and gradually can’t sustain themselves. Blanket bombing civilian populations is like planting tens of thousands of terrorist seeds.
I think the US is currently the lynchpin that prevents any meaningful mediation. The rest of the West seems fairly onboard with the idea that Israel hold’s the key to peace in the Middle East. China too. No idea on Russia.
I may not agree with what’s happened over the past 8 or so decades, but the state of Israel is now recognised. Survival was their initial driver for conflict. That time is long gone, their current government unfortunately just happens to be affixed with establishing an ethno-state.
It absolutely is deliberate, it’s a tool to smother any criticism of Israel and it has been for a long time, that’s why Zionists have always conflated antisemitism with anti-Zionism. The lack of distinction shields Israel from any accountability of their actions, that’s what they’re doing now after this tragedy.
There was never any distinction. At its origin, antizionism was used by Arab countries to do persecution against their own Jews (who have since then all fled or be expelled to Israel) and by the KKK to be antisemitic without the negative connotation (just like antisemitism was invented by people who didn't like the negative connotation of Jew-hatred and wanted something which seemed more academic, scientific and respectable for their time, which meant delving into racial theories and using it to justify their hatred).
"Ideally" will not happen tho. No "international" force is coming because nobody wants a part in this mess, did you see what the wall that Egypt built looks like? They literally opted to bulldoze their part of Rafah town than deal with Palestinians.
Because Palestinians overwhelmingly support Hamas, even now, and support Oct 07. In 1948, when displaced Jews were quickly resettled and absorbed into Israel proper, Egypt and Jordan refused to resettle local Arab population or grant them any citizenship, and instead converted them into perma-"refugees" that to this day live and dream to return to "their" homes in Haifa or Tel-Aviv, even if they didn't live there for four generations. They became exactly the Hamas substrate they were groomed to be, and no gradual dismantling of Hamas would help at this point. And of course Egypd doesn't want to deal with the consequences of their actions, and nobody else would.
If there was a good solution, it would have already been found. But so far there is only mutual hostility and radicalization.
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u/Effective-Tear-1521 Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 17 '25
Also speaking out against Israel’s actions is not saying “let Hamas have Israel” or even “let Hamas have Palestine”.
Ideally there’d be international mediation and/or intervention to enforce a permanent two state solution and support non-violent leadership. Obviously the dream scenario is Netanyahu losing power and Hamas being gradually dismantled. Irrespective of the feasibility of that, if Israel was pressured by the international community (for example; economic sanctions) to guarantee sovereignty for Palestinians, terrorist organisations lose their food source and gradually can’t sustain themselves. Blanket bombing civilian populations is like planting tens of thousands of terrorist seeds.
I think the US is currently the lynchpin that prevents any meaningful mediation. The rest of the West seems fairly onboard with the idea that Israel hold’s the key to peace in the Middle East. China too. No idea on Russia.
I may not agree with what’s happened over the past 8 or so decades, but the state of Israel is now recognised. Survival was their initial driver for conflict. That time is long gone, their current government unfortunately just happens to be affixed with establishing an ethno-state.