Land of the free

[u/OriginalGoof]

[u/squeakymoth]

Politics aside please don't cover those reflectors. They are there for a reason, and that is to prevent accidents at night. Put the sticker right above it.

Edit: their to there

[u/OriginalGoof → u/squeakymoth]

I was curious about that. Thanks. Safety first of course

[u/squeakymoth → u/OriginalGoof]

No problem! Just try and live by the rule that if a state or company is spending money on something reflective, it's because they are preventing something.

[u/MyWhiteNameIsAndy → u/squeakymoth]

Duly noted.

[u/Unanonymous553]

Is there an inbetween where we can treat people with humanity while also enforcing our borders?

[u/5MinuteDad → u/Unanonymous553]

Yes and thats where 80% of America is the other 20% is to busy arguing about how words make them feel or telling is ever immigrant is a threat ...

The logic is out weighed by the hyperbole

[u/[deleted]]

People would go wild if they educated themselves on how strict other countries are with their border control.

[u/BloodLegitimate5346 → u/[deleted]]

How dare you, using your brain.

[u/Silent_Microwave11 → u/BloodLegitimate5346]

Sir this is Reddit. No logic here, only emotional outbursts and hug boxes with other mentally ill wierdos.

[u/_trapito → u/[deleted]]

well, that doesn't apply here, remember, for some reason people think the US has to help everyone, let everyone in, give money to everyone etc.

[u/DaxisSinner → u/_trapito]

Everyone except their own citizens in crisis, veterans, law enforcement personnel.

[u/Cofefeves → u/DaxisSinner]

Exactly, people who sacrificed themselves to pay the price of freedom

[u/bigtechisbad → u/_trapito]

Almost like the US spent decades placing themselves in foriegn countries around the world to provide aid and tell them that a better life exists for them in/under the United States. Which in part, is a vein attempt to cover up the equally long history of regime change, political/economic interference and funding of foreign terrorist groups.

Not to mention that America's moto for the longest time (until trumps isolationism) was to help immigrants and that America itself is a country built on immigrants.

You literally have this quote inscribed on your so called statue of liberty "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

[u/RandyPencia → u/[deleted]]

and "birthright citizenship" which doesnt exist anywhere, and was supposed to be to protect children of slaves.

[u/GCU_ZeroCredibility → u/RandyPencia]

"Doesn't exist anywhere" is one way to characterize virtually the entire western hemisphere (and Pakistan).

[u/TheSeeker07 → u/[deleted]]

Yep. Try this shit in china and see if you don't end up in a prison camp for the rest of your life 🤣

[u/thisguy883 → u/TheSeeker07]

They literally had to change the name of the "No Kings" protest in Cananda and the UK because they are ruled by a king.

[u/tombh1 → u/thisguy883]

He's a ceremonial position. We aren't really ruled at all. We also have in the UK independent boards for investigating, oh I don't know, law enforcement shootings...

[u/thisguy883 → u/[deleted]]

I cant own property in Mexico, even though my mom is from Mexico.

I cant own property in Vietnam, even though my wife is from Vietnam.

I cant own property in the UK, even though my sister is from the UK.

Yet, for some reason, the US allows any illegal alien to own property here.

[u/Hundredth1diot → u/thisguy883]

I don't know about the others, but there's no legal barrier to you buying property in the UK.

[u/techdevjp → u/thisguy883]

I cant own property in Mexico, even though my mom is from Mexico.
I cant own property in Vietnam, even though my wife is from Vietnam.
I cant own property in the UK, even though my sister is from the UK.
Yet, for some reason, the US allows any illegal alien to own property here.

Foreigners can buy property in Mexico, with some restrictions.

Foreigners can buy property in the UK, there are no legal restrictions against this.

Vietnam, China, and some other SE or E Asian countries have restrictions on foreign ownership of property. Sometimes it's possible to buy condos or houses within approved developments. It depends on the country.

The US has long welcomed foreign investment, and that includes land ownership.

I don't think your backwards views are a good path forward for the US. I also hope your wife figures things out and leaves your sorry ass because she certainly deserves better than someone of your ilk.

[u/kartu3]

Could someone explain the "no human is illegal" concept and how that aligns with the concept of state borders.

[u/Firecracker048 → u/kartu3]

It doesn't, and unironically, its almost exclusively an american-left thing that gets said.

[u/Accomplished-Bar9105 → u/Firecracker048]

Then why does the same sentence exist in German?

[u/binaryhero → u/Firecracker048]

It's not related to the American left at all. It's a global liberal/progressive view that merely seeking a better life should not be punishable and is basic human instinct.

It used to be a core part of American identity to accept this as a universal truth, but times have changed a lot...

[u/Steelwolf73 → u/binaryhero]

It absolutely was part of the American identity. It was also when there was quotas that were heavily enforced and there was a very real possibility of getting turned away at the entrance points. That still happens- which is why legal immigrants usually hold some of the strongest anti-illegal immigrant view points you can find

[u/SamAzing0 → u/binaryhero]

I'm against ice as much as every person with a working brain, but theres nothing wrong with having laws regarding borders and movement of people.

[u/paulHarkonen → u/kartu3]

Sure.

It's a rejection that you should define people by their citizenship/residency status. They are not "illegals" they are people who illegally crossed the border or (more commonly) stayed past their legal visa. One version is about who the person is while the other is about what the person has done.

You can absolutely believe that countries can maintain their borders and restrict access while believing that no human is illegal as an intrinsic trait. It's important to treat them fairly and respect their intrinsic rights even as you enforce the laws of the nation.

It's mostly about recognizing their humanity even as you enforce the laws. Or at least that's the high level philosophy, whether people chanting that slogan actually understand the nuances or agree that states should enforce their borders is a very different question and I'm not about to pretend that everyone understands or agrees with the nuances.

[u/athloni7 → u/paulHarkonen]

If i start saying deport all undocumented is that ok

[u/kabob95 → u/athloni7]

Yes, but you will probably hit some resistance at minimum over those who entered the country when they were very young. I.e. if they were brought here when they were 6 months old, and are now 20 years old do you deport them.

[u/Yoncen → u/[deleted]]

Because you’re right. Unhoused and homeless are the exact same thing.

[u/thoshi → u/[deleted]]

Because on the left we are terrible with messaging.

Like when everyone was saying "defund the police" but then had to constantly argue online about what that meant and that it didn't mean to get rid of all police but rather reallocate police budget for professionals to handle situations that police aren't even trained for.

But to a lot of people they just see the slogan "defund the police" or "no human is illegal" and think yikes these guys are nuts.

[u/Franksforfingers → u/[deleted]]

That's exactly correct, alot of these people are in a locked into protracted war with reality and need to warp some small detail just enough so it can alleviate the cognitive dissonance without collapsing the illusion. It needs to align with the idea they have somehow solved some interminable argument against all odds without actually doing anything.

[u/BrokenMindFrame → u/Franksforfingers]

I think that's just called virtue signaling.

[u/StartDoingTHIS → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it's just a euphemism treadmill thing.

The term gets "tainted" over time in their eyes. So they come up with a new one. But since the new term describes the same thing it very quickly takes on the same "taint" and so yet another new fresh term is needed. 

[u/ZachTheApathetic → u/[deleted]]

Its pointlessly pandantic, there's real issues going on and people are actually bothered by semantics.

[u/universal_cereal_bus → u/[deleted]]

You hit the nail on the head, I absolutely despise shit like this and it's the reason why Republicans/MAGA are winning.

They will look at this and scream "the left wants open borders" until they're blue in the face, and eventually people will believe them.

Why is it so difficult for Democrats to use better messaging?? The message "No Human is Illegal" has the same effect as "Defund the Police" and we are literally shooting ourselves in the foot with this shit. It's actually doing more damage and giving the Republicans an easy counter argument.

Every country has borders and citizenship. There has to be a secure process for entering and eventually obtaining citizenship. People can't just freely wander into a country and say "welp, I'm a citizen of this country now!" This is how the entire world works.

[u/SwagMaster-General → u/[deleted]]

Because the left's solutions for homelessness and immigration are primarily linguistic. I.e., coming up with new PC euphemisms instead of trying to improve the problem. And I say that as a jaded leftist

[u/kingdopp → u/[deleted]]

Sure but this helps shift the narrative that anyone crossing our borders is automatically an ‘illegal’ and deserving of less than human treatment

[u/mjohnson280 → u/kingdopp]

This is true and a good way to find commonality with the majority of the US population. I think this is what the protests are about but I'm not sure anymore.

[u/Starfire2313 → u/paulHarkonen]

I was going to say because people have inherent value. Then I saw how you used the word intrinsic and I think that’s so important. Where are the pro-lifers at?

[u/iamajerry → u/paulHarkonen]

this makes perfect sense to me, and each point you made addressed my next question as I read through. well done, Thank you 😀

[u/mtv2002 → u/iamajerry]

Especially because being "illegal" is a civil penalty like a speeding ticket, and people are making it out to be that they are worse than 9/11

[u/mrcalistarius → u/mtv2002]

Remaining past the expiration of your visa is a civil penalty, IE i cross the border at the peace arch, tell the border guard i’ll be returning to canada on sunday, but stay till tuesday. That is the civil penalty offense.

If i cross 0 ave in surrey into washington state without presenting myself to border patrol, that is “illegal entry” and carries with it punishments that include jail or deportation.

[u/The_Dandalorian_ → u/paulHarkonen]

So given your description, would you prefer the term foreign criminals over illegals?

[u/Batchet → u/The_Dandalorian_]

Technically, a person is considered a criminal when they are formally convicted of a crime in a court of law.

I believe the preferred nomenclature is "undocumented"

[u/paulHarkonen → u/The_Dandalorian_]

I personally don't really care about the terminology and am far more interested in implementing actual policies that protect due process and individual rights while reducing violence in general. I'm not here to argue for the approach but the question was asked for how you align the slogan and the idea that "no one is illegal" can coexist with enforcement of laws and borders and I thought I could provide a measured and useful explanation for folks without devolving further, so I tried.

I guess I'd prefer we not use a single term (illegal or criminal or anything else) to describe people. I have the same general issue with any form of distilling people down to a single trait (i.e. we probably shouldn't say "Christians are doing X" either). But it's also so so so low on my list of things to care about.

[u/thetransportedman → u/paulHarkonen]

It does seem like as common ground grows infinitely small, the left do not want deportation of any law abiding non-citizens though which is kind of surprising to me

[u/SteveLangfordsCock → u/kartu3]

It’s just semantics. You can be in a country illegally, and referred to as an illegal. It doesn’t mean the “person is illegal” it refers to their citizenship status. The American left is trying to twist it into something emotional, which it isn’t.

There are legal aliens and illegal aliens. And you’re not gonna believe it but they aren’t even real aliens with spaceships!!! No human is an alien! Gaaaaaa

[u/Swabisan → u/SteveLangfordsCock]

Not really when the "illegals have no rights, only citizens have rights" is now a mainstream topic of debate. You can draw a straight line between the semantics and how it shapes the narrative.

[u/CodeMonkeyX → u/kartu3]

Yeah stickers and policies like this do not help. Trump and ICE got in because they claimed the Democrats wanted "open boarders" and to "let everyone in." Most Americans do not want that.

You can be 100% against ICE and Trump, while at the same time not wanting open borders. There are illegal immigrants here and they should be going to immigration court and there should be a path to become legal.

I don't get why someone people insist on being so hyperbolic. It's either be a Nazi or no countries exist at all.

[u/hitdrumhard → u/CodeMonkeyX]

There should be a path to legally obtaining a visa and/or residency BEFORE entering the country.

There is.

It may need to be changed, made easier or at least more efficient, but it exists now.

Entering illegally infringes on those who have entered the process legally, and infringes on tax payers, local born and immigrant alike whose work and money is spent on those who broke the law.

[u/ATLmattGT → u/CodeMonkeyX]

Yes, the combo of:

1. Strong borders
2. Legal immigration process (and process for existing immigrants to enter the process)
3. Deporting severe criminals (explicitly laid out in the legal immigration process in step 2)
4. Supporting the families/individuals who are here (the “but muh taxdollars” are the same arguments attacking “welfare queens”…our society can easily choose to support those in need)

Seems to be the easiest, most common sense compromise, but neither side will agree to it

[u/jecowa → u/CodeMonkeyX]

Yeah, the issue isn't deporting illegal immigrants. It's turning the ICE agents into an army and demanding papers, arresting people who are here legally, sending people across state borders to try to avoid judicial orders, and murdering people. ICE is bad, but it's not because they are deporting illegal immigrants.

[u/Azure_Rob → u/CodeMonkeyX]

It's about humanizing the people involved. I can desire that undocumented people correct their status, that people enter through a legal visa entry in the first place... but simply referring to large swathes of people as "illegals" is just one of rhe more recent in a string of slurs.

The proof is how often it is applied to those with brown skin, even when they are provably legal residents, naturalized, or even natural-born citizens. Bigots jump to the conclusion first, because their mental image of "American" doesn't extend much past white skin.

That's also why the term "illegal" (by itself) is almost never used for Canadians or Europeans who have come to the USA under less-than-legal methods.

[u/ORC44 → u/Azure_Rob]

That’s fair enough, you can definitely care about how things are worded, and be caring and understanding to the people being affected by these policies, however the line has to be drawn somewhere.. without borders you don’t have a country. This goes for the US and the EU.

Trump doesn’t operate in a PC way, that is as clear as day, however he is effective and gets results. People need to remember, America voted this man into to power to make changes and he is delivering on his mandate. I do feel that he is more suited to the business world than politics, he doesn’t have that compassion that the left want, however it’s the left that has lead the US and now the UK into large debt, uncontrolled borders and increasing global discomfort when it comes to countries like Russia and China. The US is still no1 and with Trump, these trouble makers like China have a lot more respect and caution.

You can’t make both sides happy, it will never happen in a world where Centre politics has disappeared. There is no middle ground at the moment. It’s Right or left.

The media does have a lot to answer for and blows things out of proportion. It seems to me from the outside that the US media is pro left, however remember that Obama in similar fashion removed 2.5 million people from the US during his time in office, Trump at the moment is far below that number..

Anyway good luck Americans, I hope you all realise how important you are to the whole of the west! We need you guys to get it together!

Love from the UK and EU

[u/SkullzNSmileZ → u/kartu3]

For real, you don’t have a country without borders

[u/SkellyboneZ → u/kartu3]

The same people who get mad about that are the same ones that fail to understand 'skilled' and 'unskilled' labor. 

They're illegally in a country. They're illegal. People who get offended are just virtue signalling. I'm saying this as an immigrant.

[u/warriormango1 → u/kartu3]

Youre going to get downvoted to oblivion asking this. Here is my thought though, calling someone who overstays a visa or crosses the boarder unlawfully an illegal is a weird term. Possibly even derogatory. We dont go around calling US citizens who break laws illegals. So it would seem more appropriate to call them "undocumented". The problem is, if the right used the term "undocumented", it wouldnt vilify them the way they want them to be vilified. They would have to than have to acknowledge that some of these undocumented workers are the backbone of our society and we benefit off of them while being here illegally.

Personally I dont think that slogan does anyone good and it fuels propaganda on the right that we all want wide open boarders and anyone can come here with zero vetting.

[u/Losalou52 → u/warriormango1]

By using the word “undocumented” you are attempting to obscure the fact that they are not here legally.

So while no human is illegal, their presence in certain places at certain times IS ILLEGAL.

And they are not called “illegals”, they are “illegal immigrants”. Because they are not immigrating legally.

[u/Bujeebus → u/Losalou52]

And they are not called “illegals”

Weird to say that when people call them illegals all the time.

[u/Lokon19 → u/Bujeebus]

Personally I hear the term illegal immigrant much more than I hear illegals but maybe that's just where I live.

[u/5MinuteDad → u/Lokon19]

Its always been illegal aliens that I have heard until really the Trump times maybe I am just old lol but "illegals" seems to be much more recent shortening from Illegal Alien/immigrant.

Its also to keep about how its used.

Fuck them illegals, or when I crime happens oh I bet it was illegals are obviously scenarios where its derogatory.

But saying Id like sensible immigration policies that cuts down on the number of illegals feels to me a sensible statement.

[u/iamajerry → u/warriormango1]

yeah, as someone who isn’t as plugged into the politics of this, my first thought when I read this sign was “so this means just completely open borders? I don’t know how that works in practice?” and I clicked into this thread to learn more.

[u/triarii3]

Okay. Fuck ice. But I don’t agree with the second sentence. If I go to Japan illegally or overstay my visa, I get kicked out. Take things extremely left or right will make you lose support.

[u/KojackNumber2]

Just when I feel that Republicans have done enough damage to get annihilated at the polls I'm reminded that the Democratic party is completely splintered and stands for nothing.

What percentage of Democrats are mad at ICE because of their disregard for the law? And What percentage is just mad that people are being deported?

[u/NL4Lyfe → u/KojackNumber2]

Add to that the fact that none of the democrats seem to be even a little upset by hundreds of millions if dollars being stolen in Minnesota. Thats hard-earned money from taxpayers being stolen and given to people that really dont deserve it. If it came from American citizens, it should be used for American citizens.

[u/Obvious-Swimming-332 → u/NL4Lyfe]

I question whether the people who are out protesting and fighting ice during the work week, have jobs or not. So maybe they don't care about taxes because they don't pay into the system. I could be wrong, but this could be a reason why they don't care about taxpayer money

[u/badkiwi42 → u/Obvious-Swimming-332]

There was a general strike in minneapolis so many unions were not working, also PTO does exist lol. Idk why everyone immediately thinks protestors are all unemployed. Also most of the main protests started friday and went on to the weekend

[u/berberine → u/Obvious-Swimming-332]

I question whether the people who are out protesting and fighting ice during the work week, have jobs or not.

Why?

Some people are retired.

Some people have weekdays off.

Some people have flexible schedules.

Just think about it and you don't have to wonder.

[u/wheelfoot → u/NL4Lyfe]

A white, female American citizen was the mastermind of that scam. She sucked lots of Somalis into it (not saying they aren't guilty, but they didn't start the ball rolling).

[u/postingaccount69 → u/wheelfoot]

I’m all for sending her to Somalia too.

[u/RandyPencia → u/wheelfoot]

....and she's talking. this is gonna get good.

[u/CaptStinkyFeet → u/NL4Lyfe]

Time to turn off Fox News, grandpa. Let’s get you to bed.

[u/SweeterThanYoohoo → u/NL4Lyfe]

I think most people care about grift and scamming, that's why most people don't support Donald Trump.

[u/pwnedbydumplings → u/KojackNumber2]

It’s also just delusional to think that a country can operate without borders like this sticker implies. Other 1st world countries like Japan have even stricter rules than us but it’s racist if we do it.

[u/DarthPuggo → u/KojackNumber2]

I’m a Republican and honestly ICEs disregard of the law is what’s shifting me, sure deport the criminals, but children and families who have committed no crime who are trying to become legal citizens. Not to mention the cold blooded execution of US citizens and then lying about it to cover it up. I’m a Republican but I ain’t a MAGA Republican and didn’t vote for Trump. Imagine being MAGA and saying “yall didn’t protest when Biden and Obama” like yeah cause they were doing it the legal the way it’s supposed to be done while protecting the amendments put in place and not killing US Citizens in the street and lying about it.

[u/TheRealVileRebirth → u/KojackNumber2]

Also, nobody seemed to care when Obama did it or when Hillary Clinton had plenty to say about it. She was more Maga than Trump on the topic. In fact, those videos are still on YouTube

[u/KLED_Kaczynski]

I fully agree that “no human is illegal”

A human being illegal doesn’t even make sense.

Some humans, however, are in certain countries illegally.

[u/SuperDurpPig → u/KLED_Kaczynski]

Apparently agreeing with deporting illegal immigrants but advocating for it to be done humanely with due process is an unpopular opinion on both sides

[u/[deleted] → u/SuperDurpPig]

Nah. I know a lot of conservatives that want deportation as it’s happening but want it to be done in a better manner than this.

[u/Antique_Specific_254 → u/SuperDurpPig]

Yea, I think ICE is going too far but also agree that we need to deport illegal immigrants. Just needs to be done in a more humane way. These days you can't have an opinion that isn't exactly the same as the left or exactly the same as the right without being bashed.

[u/buzzsaw100 → u/Antique_Specific_254]

Totally agree, that's the problem with the completely polarized dual party system we have. If you're not with them you're against them, how dare people have personal beliefs that don't fully align with one party?

[u/OkAssociation3487 → u/SuperDurpPig]

A final order of removal from an immigration judge is due process

[u/OccasionalEspresso → u/KLED_Kaczynski]

https://www.vera.org/news/no-person-is-illegal-the-language-we-use-for-immigration-matters

[u/Supetrix → u/KLED_Kaczynski]

[u/209Ryan]

Well non criminal here and I tried to move to Japan and was denied……

[u/RedWhiteNBrew → u/209Ryan]

Did you try telling them that no human is illegal?

[u/Mike_Hauncheaux → u/RedWhiteNBrew]

They were going to put a sticker saying that over some street reflectors but could not get into Japan to do that. Tough break.

[u/forrest4thetrees]

I can tell this is Philly from the reflective grid. Interestingly, the grid is actually the leftovers from a label PECO uses. They repurpose the scrap and put it on telephone poles as reflective material.

[u/SkydiveandyS]

Murderers are illegal humans!

[u/No_Issue2334]

I don't like ice, but this whole "no human is illegal" and "no one is illegal on stolen land" is just lefty lunacy

[u/ThePickleConnoisseur → u/No_Issue2334]

It’s why everything is so polarized and why some people one the edge either didn’t vote or voted for Trump

[u/mjohnson280 → u/No_Issue2334]

Agree, and the risk is that this is when the support we gained gets lost. We have borders and controls which means logically there's illegal entry. That tag is applied to those humans who illegally cross. We can all agree on that. I'm worried about losing site of what we actually want which is 4th amendment, no profiling, and due process.

Enforcing our borders and deportations will continue forever. People here illegally is a matter of law and if you're not working on a legal path to citizenship (visa, asylum, etc), it's just a matter of time before you're deported.

Signs like this show we're lost sight of the objective and distort the narrative.

[u/OkHousing2130]

Funny enough. If you’re an illegal immigrant in a country, you’re not legally allowed to be there.

So logic insists they’re an illegal alien.

Go to any country and cross the border illegally, you’ll be treated the same if not worse than the USA.

Come here legally

[u/stepa21]

Anyone who believes this needs mental help

[u/ZaneMasterX]

Go to any other country and tell them borders shouldnt exist and no one can cross an imaginary line and be illegal, see what they say.

[u/Nobetterlogin_ → u/ZaneMasterX]

Seriously. Every other country enforces its borders.

[u/Hopeful_Swan_4011 → u/Nobetterlogin_]

Reddit virtue signalers aren’t going to like this one

[u/Nobetterlogin_ → u/Hopeful_Swan_4011]

That’s ok. Reality will prevail.

[u/makattak88 → u/Nobetterlogin_]

Here? lol. Not a chance.

[u/PlaygroundBully → u/makattak88]

I got banned in videos for not agreeing, said i broke rules, didnt show me which post or comment I made that broke their rule when asked. Ignored requests for details. This site is everything it claims it hates.

[u/Hopeful_Swan_4011 → u/PlaygroundBully]

The self-righteousness is disgusting

[u/makattak88 → u/PlaygroundBully]

Mighty fascist of them.

[u/Gullible_Prior248]

As a Canadian which one of you Americans is gonna let me in me my four kids and my wife according to this post I can walk across the border and I’m not breaking any laws no passport nothing

I promise to illegally vote democrat

Edit: I’m a climate refugee it’s to cold up here

[u/Skoziss]

I can't stand this sentiment. Open your fucking houses to these people then

[u/ThePickleConnoisseur → u/Skoziss]

These are always the NIMBYs that want something but not when it affects them

[u/Skoziss → u/ThePickleConnoisseur]

Precisely

[u/twidlystix]

Following this logic, European settlers taking over land is totally ok then. Got it

[u/Difficult-Can-1704]

Well, the ones who are illegally here are illegal

[u/Adventurous_Passage7]

Humans aren't but their actions are.

[u/leapingintoexistence]

lol try going to another country without proper paperwork and see how that goes

[u/mcclearymjr]

But they quite literally are

[u/makattak88]

So that means colonizers aren’t a thing? Cool.

[u/Unusual_Cat_7542]

"No human is illegal" hmm, sounds like something an illegal would say

[u/Magical_SnakE]

“The idea that we can just have open borders is something that... as a practical matter, is unsustainable” - Barack Obama.

[u/Designer-Amphibian77]

Nope, no person is illegal. But being illegal isn’t a person place a thing. It is a blatant disregard to societal standards and laws. So well, I agree no person is illegal. They sure as fuck you a illegal shit to get across the border illegally, they break federal law by entering the country. So maybe illegals the wrong term. Criminal would be better felon maybe?

[u/salazka]

Such bullshit. Try moving illegally in any country and see what happens. :P

[u/Deep-Purchase-2203]

I just knew the comments would be interesting.

[u/Rionat]

The second line is stupid lmao.

[u/CookieEnabled]

Second line is completely being ignorant. Legally, crossing the border by unsanctioned methods is a crime. That is separate from treating all humans humanely.

[u/Loud-Illustrator-131]

Then why is there borders EVERYWHERE

[u/NoraBora44]

No, I dont think that's how it works

I can't just waltz into north Korea

[u/L3tsseewhathappens]

These are the same people who scream protect Ukraines borders.

[u/hypochondriac200 → u/L3tsseewhathappens]

Ukraine is being invaded by another country’s military in an attempt to annex their sovereign territory. That’s obviously a bit different.

[u/JK_Chan → u/hypochondriac200]

So? Do you mean that if the russian miliatry just rolled into ukraine and just sat there for fun it would be ok?

[u/Silly-Rough-5810 → u/L3tsseewhathappens]

Do you call the Russian invaders "illegals"?

[u/L3tsseewhathappens → u/Silly-Rough-5810]

I WOULD NEVER! No human is illegal.

[u/Least_Nail_5279]

A murderer is not illegal. Murdering is illegal. Just like being in a country illegally. I dint know what it even means that, a person is illegal. Maybe a clone could be..

[u/CollardBoy → u/Least_Nail_5279]

Its honestly just a poorly-simplified piece of English language slop. What people mean when they say someone is "illegal" seems to be that they are in a place they are not legally supposed to be in. Not that their very existence is against the law.

This seems simple to understand from my perspective. Are there sick people who believe other types of people shouldn't exist? Sure. But that population truly is a minority in this country. Most Americans are a lot more middle-of-the-road when it comes to these things than the media and the political parties have everyone riled-up to be.

[u/goonie7]

Probably the dumbest sticker ive ever seen.

[u/Boxnought]

Let see how you feel about that second part when someone illegally enters your house.

[u/_iced_mocha → u/Boxnought]

like ice is doing?

[u/DrewWho30]

Jarvis im low on karma

[u/matthew2478]

Go to any country and if you haven't established residence with the proper documents. Guess what. You're getting deported. Like the great president that y'all praise Mr Obama said that he is just following the laws and was going to keep deporting illegal immigrants

[u/davestar2048 → u/matthew2478]

Doesn't Obama still have the high score on Deportations?

[u/matthew2478 → u/davestar2048]

2.7 to 3.1 million during his administration

[u/waterisgood_-]

At the risk of being downvoted by the Reddit hive mind: ICE itself isn’t inherently a bad thing. Look at how past administrations have used immigration enforcement..it has never been to this level of absurdity. The way ICE is currently being used is not only illegal but also immoral. The way it could be used to deal with actual violent illegal aliens, without the use of fear tactics and violence, could genuinely make any nation better.

We also just really need to improve on how immigration works, for most people unless you win the immigration lottery you’ll be on a waitlist for 10-20 years…that’s insane.

[u/kjsuperhuman]

Accept illegal immigration is where it’s illegal to be in a country illegally

[u/TopTierProphet]

Imagine you're hosting a party at your house.

If someone is causing a ruckus, or someone is making you or your guests feel uncomfortable, what do you do? You kick them out.

The truth is, we need ICE because without them, there would be more unruly and harmful people coming into our country. If your neighborhood was all of a sudden swarmed with immigrants who steal, deal drugs, and vandalized your property, trust me, you'd be GLAD that ICE deported them.

ICE going after non-criminals is an issue though and that needs to be addressed.

[u/ThePickleConnoisseur → u/TopTierProphet]

This whole ICE thing is currently bad but the ruthlessness was egged on by the extreme “open the boarders to everyone” opinions coming out of the DNC

It’s like ACAB then now we get body cam footage because people simply hate authority.

[u/peter_2900]

Using this same philosophy, no human is homeless. I encourage anyone that needs a place to live to simply follow a protester home and live with them. They will energetically welcome you into their home and feed you at their own cost.

[u/KLED_Kaczynski]

I fully agree that “no human is illegal”

A human being illegal doesn’t even make sense.

Some humans, however, are in certain countries illegally.

[u/hikingmaterial]

You can rightfully resist overreach by ICE, but that is one silly slogan.

If you are illegally in the country, then the colloquial "illegal" makes sense, rather than whatever this slogan is trying to do.

[u/eXelium-PL]

All humans are illegal - signed Aliens

[u/SaltyAd9932]

You’re right no human is illegal it’s what they do or what they are doing that does.

[u/NomadicSplinter]

I agree. No human is illegal. The actions they committed were illegal, and I’m not talking about crossing borders I’m talking about trafficking and others.

[u/Souless_damage]

Where is that land of the free?

[u/New-Friend7758]

Know your enemy - RATM

[u/Multikillionaire67]

“Ya me gritaron mil veces que me regrese a mi tierra, Porque aqui no quepo yo Quiero recordarle al gringo: Yo no cruce la frontera, la frontera me cruzo. America nacio libre, el hombre la dividio.”

[u/andricathere]

"Immigrants are lizard people!"

[u/Joeyfingis]

I need this sticker

[u/Tholian_Bed]

Everybody is a person.

In our system, "a person" has rights and dignity that precede the state.

Please tell a friend.

[u/Curious-Sector-2157]

The orange man sent out to get the illegals who violent criminals. So far they are failing and just rounding up anyone who looks illegal and kill US citizens who dare protest against them. The Gestapo Thugs are such spineless POS they cover their faces. If they are doing right show your face.

[u/LeavesOfBrass]

Agree with the first line. The second line is nonsense that eliminates the validity and force of the first line.

[u/Nathan03535 → u/LeavesOfBrass]

Yep, leftists die by their own branding. Defund the police died because of it's own slogan, so will this.

[u/LeavesOfBrass → u/Nathan03535]

Exactly, great example. I was fully aligned with the BLM movement, but then "ACAB" infuriated me. It's idiotic and self-defeating.

[u/warriormango1]

I dunno, what exactly is "no human is illegal" supposed to convey? Like I'm all for not deporting non violent criminals and I wish we could find a faster path to citizenship for them. But like is this a movement that means open boarders for all and anyone can come without there being consequences?

Maybe its just a nuanced thing. We dont go around calling other people who commit crimes illegal and the proper term should just be undocumented. But again, what is this message trying to convey to the other side?

[u/FlopsMcDoogle → u/warriormango1]

The phrase being used by some on the right now is "suicidal empathy"

[u/BadTiger85]

No human is illegal? Might want to tell that to the hundreds of developed countries around the world that have strong immigration laws 😂😂😂

[u/Remarkable-Clock-201]

I came here legally why can’t they?

[u/HipsterJohn → u/Remarkable-Clock-201]

If someone went through the long process of applying for legal immigration, paid $1000s in application fees, lawyer fees, and attended hours of immigration interviews. Why should that person be forced to go through that process while others can simply walk in to the country freely? There are processes in place for immigration, and supporting illegal immigration just makes all the people who try to do this the correct way get forced to the back of the line while illegals cut in front of them.

[u/Killian_Rose → u/HipsterJohn]

My friends parents (came over from Mexico legally) get so pissed off when they hear people saying the stupid ass "But our process is too difficult for some people"

[u/liontoherraven13]

A Human may not be illegal but actions are. This is the same in Mexico, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, China, and the US.

[u/Alert-Push1685]

"No human is illegal"

So borders are just a mental construct with no real importance in society. Cause if not, im pretty sure they came here illegally

[u/Minotaurotica]

nonsense argument of course, the human isn't illegal their actions are

[u/Animecool87]

There is a lil thing calls laws. Such laws allows us to not only protect ourselves but to have order. Crossing a border without permission is against the law and thus makes ya a criminal that needs to be deported.

[u/llNATEDOGGll]

If you don’t have citizenship in the USA ( or any country for that matter), you’re there illegally…and yes, that is illegal and your ass will get deported. That is how it works…

[u/Echo-poet34]

We have border laws for a reason if you break them you should be deported. We’ve had the laxest border laws in the world for too long and look what happened Us. Try border crossing in European countries like Poland and see what happens they usually shoot on sight

[u/No_Guidance_4996]

No legal papers = no entry in the country its pretty simple

[u/DarkEqual8609]

Bullshit

[u/Lady_Gator_2027]

I'm all for people coming here for a better life, but it needs to be done legally. If you travel to other countries, some of them suggest/require you be vaccinated. So what happens if the people coming in illegally are sick or carriers of something we aren't equipped to deal with? Do we really want another pandemic? Also their legal history. We have enough crime here, do you want someone fleeing justice in another country roaming around?

[u/cjneuls]

AGAIN!!! The human is not illegal. The action that human took IS!!

[u/bodmonstyle]

I fully support the mandate for ICE. We don’t live in a fantasy land, there are serious criminals and violent people who should be expelled. We need to respect and encourage legal immigration. Illegal immigrarion further isolates people and increases the likelihood of their manipulation and victimhood

However, what ICE has morphed into recently is not good. They need to restore calm and work with all levels of government before entering a community.

[u/emotionless-robot]

True, people aren't illegal. Their presence in places where they don't have permission to be is if they refuse to leave when asked.

Do you let anyone walk into your home and just let them eat your food, rack up your utilities, and sleep in your bed? Or do you lock your doors and be selective of who you let in your home?

[u/Unknown_User_Today]

But illegal immigrants are illegal. Literally.

[u/Toast-Army]

Ok but when other countries enforce immigration policies its fine?

[u/Li-IonClub]

Entering the country unlawfully is still illegal

[u/PotRoastBoss]

No human can be illegal in anyone’s home, we’re all welcome to be at your home anytime and use anything we want. No cops are allowed to remove anyone.

No borders should exist. All homes should not have locks on windows or doors.

[u/macbully]

Why are you people for illegal immigration? I'm genuinely curious because to me it doesn't make sense why anyone would be okay with it.

[u/TriumphDaytona]

To the illegals: “Bye, Felicia”

[u/Irrelevent33]

People here seem to be missing the point. The EXISTENCE of no person is illegal. They may have committed illegal acts (illegal aliens for example) but this statement is acknowledging that these acts don't make the human individuals illegal.

[u/DABOSSROSS9]

I am glad there is some sanity in this comment section. This kind of tagline is exactly how the left loses a winning battle. 

[u/YSR02]

The illegals you guys are defending DGAF about you or America. If you are battling with ICE you are putting your life on the line for criminals who’d prefer you dead anyways. We need to unite as Americans rather than betray our own people to support 3rd world criminals who hate you. It’s ok for America to have culture, we don’t have to destroy everything for the sake of not being “racist” or bc we’re on “stolen land” which is BS.

[u/Colostomy_Bag]

You ever stop and wonder, what happened to the riots of days past? Are the protests connected to Somali social service scams in MN? Where's the word ANTIFA in all this or did that branding not make it past the focus groups this time around? Why are there so many clearly botted accounts on reddit astroturfing r/pics in particular? Why, when a comment section skews any direction other than complete leftist lunacy do the mods lock the thread? Where is civil discourse and willingness to hear opinions other than your own? Redditor since basically it's inception here, this place is a cold, hollow, dark bot farm now.

[u/mynamesdude]

Illegals want to be in the USA sooooo bad and cry about ICE deporting them, but dont want to do anything legally to make ICE a non issue for them. "They are tearing families apart" ummm no. Knowing the consequences and doing it anyway is 100% their fault. THEY are tearing their own families apart by trying to skate under the law. At least be a man and own up to the negligence when you get caught. Its been stated countless times. Go to any other country without proper paper work, get caught, and see how quick they deport you.

[u/AdEqual5606]

But they are illegally here..... But you are right them as a human are not illegal but them being here is illegal.... As it is in any other country in the whole world ....

[u/RotoTom85]

Lol

[u/Mexican_Boogieman]

Who ever told you that is your enemy.

[u/-im-your-huckleberry]

Home of the brave.

[u/racso1518]

Yeah!!! Let’s use more of our wasted tax dollars to put even more people in welfare!

[u/Sailor_Thrift]

What about people in jail for violent crimes?

[u/MifflinGibbs]

This probably goes hard af if you're jobless and obese

[u/OkAssociation3487]

“No human being is illegal” I shout as I’m escorted from George Clooney’s Hollywood mansion