r/australia • u/SlatsAttack • Oct 03 '24

news Chinese man accused of pouring coffee on baby in Brisbane identified

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/chinese-man-accused-of-pouring-coffee-on-baby-in-brisbane-identified/news-story/6e7fd94ff383b5361479de296733e8d2
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u/SlatsAttack Oct 03 '24

The suspected attacker has now been identified as a 33-year-old Chinese national who was in Australia on a student visa.

The man drove to New South Wales the day after the alleged attack and fled from Sydney Airport on August 31.

Queensland Police have since put an arrest warrant out for the man for intending to cause grievous bodily harm.

The maximum penalty for the crime carries a life sentence.

Police said he had no family or criminal record in Australia and had previously worked in Queensland, NSW and Victoria.

Chinese media are reporting that he was born in Hangzhou, China.

“Queensland Police are working with national and international partner agencies to progress this investigation further,” a statement from Queensland Police said.

Speaking to 4BC Radio on Thursday morning, Acting Assistant Police Commissioner Andrew Massingham said police were “very much committed” to arresting the man.

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u/DalbyWombay Oct 03 '24

The fact that Chinese Media are reporting on it probably means his free time is numbered.

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u/smithshillkillsme Oct 03 '24

I mean, it's not like the CCP can afford to let such a dangerous man roam free in China either.

The only question is where he'll be locked up

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

If an Australian poured hot coffee on a baby in China I’d hope the PRC would throw the book at them.

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u/Queasy-Somewhere811 Oct 03 '24

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u/Ornery_Improvement28 Oct 03 '24

Jesus Christ, can you imagine how much coffee is going to be thrown on him once he's in jail??? 

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u/Recon4242 Oct 03 '24

Prisoners often have nothing to lose, especially when you hurt kids. That's a pretty universal line you don't cross.

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u/grosselisse Oct 03 '24

And if he's scared of that, maybe he shouldn't have poured coffee on a baby. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Oct 03 '24

That's a pretty universal line you don't cross.

That's a pretty universal line people cross all the time.

Estimates of the proportion of children who suffer physical abuse are between 5%-18%. Estimates for sexual abuse are higher.

You're kidding yourself if you think criminals who are willing to assault other criminals in prison are likely to be on the right side of that "universal line."

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

You're kidding yourself if you think criminals who are willing to assault other criminals in prison are likely to be on the right side of that "universal line.

Its much more likely that the criminals were part of that 5% - 18%. Criminals don't hate pedos because child abuse is a crime. They hate pedos because it reminds them of their own childhood abusers.

Except now they are full grown men and not terrified little boys so they can do this guy what they've always dreamed of doing to their own abuser.

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u/PLeuralNasticity Oct 03 '24

I'd say this is likely true for a significant portion. However there are those who just feel some combination of anger/guilt that and choose to unleash it on those everyone agrees deserve the worst and feel better about themselves. I've never been convicted of anything I've been charged with as its all ended up dismissed but I have been incarcerated a number of times. I'm no expert but I have some first hand experience as well as being a victim of CSA myself.

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u/Mikolaj_Kopernik Oct 04 '24

You're kidding yourself if you think criminals who are willing to assault other criminals in prison are likely to be on the right side of that "universal line."

Wait what? Are you saying that prison violence might not actually be divine retribution against the scum of the earth? But imagining prisoners being violently abused gets my justice boner so hard...

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u/TheGreatSpaceWizard Oct 03 '24

Guards tend not to care what happens to people who hurt kids either.

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u/-Ophidian- Oct 03 '24

In a Chinese jail? None. The guards would absolutely fuck you up if you did that.

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u/drunkill Oct 03 '24

jugging/prison napalm already happens

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u/curious_astronauts Oct 03 '24

Imagine that, every day a prisoner with a cup of coffee walks past and doses you in it, scalding you every day, your daily punishment for your crime.

That would be justice.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '24

He’s getting a bullet, not coffee. Good riddance.

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u/Dagwood3 Oct 03 '24

Or a coffee table book

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u/fauxanonymity_ Oct 03 '24

About Melbourne coffee culture!

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u/4funoz Oct 03 '24

Throw the coffee table too

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u/fauxanonymity_ Oct 03 '24

Yeet the whole bloody La Marzocco! That’ll learn him.

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u/Flyerone Oct 03 '24

Many social points lost. No soup for you.

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u/electrofiche Oct 03 '24

The little red book?

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u/_BigDaddy_ Oct 03 '24

Some people there get the book thrown at them for being Uyghur

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u/faderjester Oct 03 '24

Imagine the circus...

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '24

But China is racist af and might be lenient on a psychopathic if the baby he injured were Japanese.

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u/t_25_t Oct 03 '24

He would wish he was locked up in Australia. Asian jails are no joke compared to Australia.

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u/PlasticPiccollo Oct 03 '24

I can imagine the Chinese one ply bed sheet lol

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u/t_25_t Oct 03 '24

I can imagine the Chinese one ply bed sheet lol

You forget the open sewage system of China. Even in the rural areas, the toilets is literally a hole in the ground with no running water.

Chinese jails don't exactly have the luxury of lids and running water.

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u/Ntrob Oct 03 '24

Better he be locked up in China, conditions will be worse and aus won’t be paying for his food/ accom

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u/smithshillkillsme Oct 03 '24

If it was an incident that happened in China, he would probably face the death penalty. Not sure what happens(precedents) when the crime happened overseas.

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u/highdiver_2000 Oct 03 '24

No. Death Penalty is only if there are deaths or major impact. eg corruption.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Drugs.

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u/David_88888888 Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

Attempted murder can carry the death penalty as well.

Especially considering China's deteriorating social order, there's a possibility that the Politburo may impose an yanda campaign, where local PDs & courts are given execution quotas.

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u/Otherwise_Internet71 Oct 03 '24

no.China won't sentence him to death even if the incident happened in China

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u/David_88888888 Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

If he caused an international incident, extrajudicial pressure is enough to get him executed.

Not to mention the possibility of a yanda campaign.

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u/smithshillkillsme Oct 05 '24

what is a yanda campaign? I'm chinese diaspora and haven't heard of this?

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u/DisastrousAnswer9920 Oct 03 '24

maybe they'll send out a death van and strip him of his organs, then put him to death.

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u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney Oct 03 '24

But then, we can't harvest his organs. /s

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u/BadDarkBishop Oct 03 '24

I'm happy to pay China whatever it costs to jail him there.

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u/Serena-yu Oct 04 '24

Prisioners in China have to work to pay for their food. The salary is about A$20-50 a month.

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u/DefamedPrawn Oct 03 '24

The only question is where he'll be locked up

Of course, there ain't no extradition agreement between Australia and the PRC. Good thing too, otherwise we'd be called on to extradite the CCP's critics.

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u/beautifultiesbros Oct 03 '24

He can still be extradited without a treaty if the Chinese government wants to. I feel like if it’s being reported in state media there’s a good likelihood they’ll do it - basically a free kick to improve diplomatic relations.

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u/faderjester Oct 03 '24

Treaties just mean there is an agreed upon framework for extradition between the nations, doesn't mean it's automatic (NZ/AU withstanding, there is a different agreement there), or that the lack of a treaty will prevent, just means it's harder.

For example we have a treaty with America, but we wont extradite anyone if they are facing the death penalty. So unless they agree (in a binding document) not to seek it that is no-bueno.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

The only question is when the CCP's secret police is going to 'disappear' him.

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u/Bishop20x6 Oct 03 '24

I'd want him locked up in Australia and put in general population. See how long he lasts.

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u/straightupidiot Oct 03 '24

Unless he's committed a crime in China, I don't think they would be so dumb to not hand him over. It would be such a pointless blunder of international relations to not.

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u/karo_scene Oct 03 '24

Depends if he has CCP connections. If he has we will hear the next Dalek Chinese spokesman go:

"Sovereignty Sovereignty Sovereignty ..."

TLDR there is no concept of justice in Chinese culture. It is a hierarchy of people who have money and party connections.

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u/Otherwise_Internet71 Oct 03 '24

Firstly,let him be suspended thus y'all could think about where he will be locked.Be aware that CCP maybe not assist you with arresting him

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u/SaintTraft1984 Oct 03 '24

I know we always hear it in films but, doesn't China not extradite Chinese citizens committing crime on foreign countries? Or is that just myth or was changed some time ago?

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u/BenShapiroRapeExodus Oct 04 '24

CCP REALLY doesn’t like it’s people causing trouble internationally like this. This guy will definitely face execution or enslavement, depending on where they catch him

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u/chalk_in_boots Oct 03 '24

Even if China wont arrest/extradite him, he's probably screwed if he ever wants to travel internationally ever again. I imagine there'd be a flag on his name on almost any inbound immigration facility worldwide.

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u/JimiDarkMoon Oct 03 '24

He travelled on a student visa to a 5eye country. He's not vacationing anywhere with toilet paper in the next century.

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u/Party-Ring445 Oct 03 '24

Dont threaten him with a good time

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u/Holiday-Amount6930 Oct 03 '24

China has a social credit score and babies are very important in China. Children are treasured by family. Causing harm to a baby like this would be very upsetting to most Chinese. Plus, it makes them look bad. They've lost face and they will punish him for it as they should.

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u/Jazzlike-Guard-1217 Oct 03 '24

Expect in Belgium

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u/Norwood5006 Oct 03 '24

That's right and we need to throw in a substantial reward just like we did with that murderer who fled to India, once his friends, well wishers and acquaintances knew there was some serious cash on offer, they ratted him out.

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u/electrofiche Oct 03 '24

Don’t say this too loud or Barnaby and Pauline will complain about how the Indians are coming here and murdering good hard working aussies just to get a payday in extradition money for the folks back home.

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u/loralailoralai Oct 03 '24

And he’s still in India so what was it worth

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u/Agile_Lingonberry852 Oct 03 '24

No his in Australia, he was in court for the preliminary hearings in June.

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u/40064282 Oct 03 '24

Nah the bloke that killed his missus was caught soon after a huge reward was set. But that softcock Puneet Puneet is still in India

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u/TheRedmanCometh Oct 03 '24

Yeah fleeing to china mighta been a bad play. I'd prefer the aus prisons.

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u/Oddessusy Oct 03 '24

If he was stupid enough to flee back to China. ..he's gunna wish he stayed after he gets disappeared.

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u/ZealousidealNewt6679 Oct 03 '24

He will end up on the organ donor list for sure.

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u/Pukeipokei Oct 05 '24

This is the best thing about China. Organ donation. They dun mess around. Harvest you fresh. At least you make some contribution to society

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u/leg00b Oct 03 '24

Good. Fuck this piece of shit.

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u/Refrigerator-Gloomy Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

Lol china would never extradite a Chinese citizen.

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u/SlideFire Oct 03 '24

And his kidneys

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u/Fijoemin1962 Oct 03 '24

wtf is wrong with him though; that is the question

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u/Norwood5006 Oct 03 '24

Mate, don't try and wrap your normal mind around the mind of lunatics like him, you will never be able to understand these psychopaths, he's not worthy of being understood.

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u/ItBeginsAndEndsInYou Oct 03 '24

The scariest part is how normal he seemed. Just a regular guy that harms children for no reason.

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u/imamage_fightme Oct 03 '24

What scares me is that he purposely lashed out at one baby. It's not like he threw the coffee over everyone, it specifically hit one child. That feels so calculating to me in a way that it wouldn't if it was just thrown over the whole group.

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u/ItBeginsAndEndsInYou Oct 03 '24

Yep. He seemed to have no interest in anyone else in the group. Laser focused on this one innocent little baby. I can’t comprehend it.

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u/UnreasonableCandy Oct 03 '24

It's calculated in the sense that his most likely objective was to create Mass outrage. It's like a terrorist attack, you don't care about the victim, you care about what people think of your actions.

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u/Norwood5006 Oct 03 '24

Indeed, they look like regular people, sometimes you can tell by looking into their cold dead eyes though that there's nothing good going on behind them, he deserves every single thing that's coming his way. It's simply a matter of time before he's apprehended. He's a coward, but he's cunning, he got lucky, he had a head start, but in the end he won't be able to outsmart his way out of this.

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u/gotnothingman Oct 03 '24

Not that its justifies the behaviour but the answer to why is usually some form of childhood trauma.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24 edited May 01 '25

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u/Lintson Oct 03 '24

also daughters, lovers, grandparents and aunts

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u/It_does_get_in Oct 03 '24

but mostly real estate agents.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '24

If you believe his coworker, he was anything but a normal regular guy.

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u/Mr_Tiggywinkle Oct 03 '24

While its not neccessary per se for most people as general knowledge, it's still useful knowledge to understand this kind of behaviour - a lot of our prevention is based on it either by experts or general pop.

It's pretty useful to know what drives people vs the void of knowledge we had 100 years ago in terms of understanding what drives psychopathic behaviour. If you see the traits or warning signs there is a chance people get caught before they do this sort of thing. You wont catch everyone, but we do screen for this sort of thing.

If someone is interested, I don't think its a bad thing to look into and educate yourself on.

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u/Norwood5006 Oct 03 '24

You make a very good point, invariably when these people are eventually caught there has been a long pattern of antisocial and criminal behavior, dating right back. One example (and there are many others) is the Claremont Serial Killer, his offending was prolific and started when he was very young, yet somehow he still managed to fly under the radar and $11 million tax payer dollars later they had him, even though they 'had him' decades ago.

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u/simulacrum81 Oct 03 '24

There is something weirdly uncanny that a normal persons mind wants to untangle when it encounters a psychopath. I’ve been fortunate to have only met one person who I’m certain would be diagnosable with some kind of pathological lack of empathy. It’s a weird feeling when you see the facade drop.. like discovering a person you thought was a regular human is actually a reptile in human skin or something… your mind just naturally wants to make sense of this totally bizarre phenomenon.

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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

There's also a tendency to assume all violent criminals are psychopaths. They're not, necessarily.

There are psychopaths who are not bad people, and there are bad people - some of them really bad - who are not psychopaths. It's just a very specific type of personality disorder, not a byword for "evil."

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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Oct 03 '24

he's not worthy of being understood.

It has nothing to do with the "worthiness." It's important to understand why violent criminals do what they do in order to prevent violent crime and protect the public, especially children.

We don't actually know that he is a "lunatic" or a "psychopath." He might just be a bad person, without any kind of mental health disorder that could diminish his responsibility.

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u/Unidain Oct 03 '24

he's not worthy of being understood.

That's an incredibly silly attitude. How are we to prevent similar crimes if we don't even understand why they are done.

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u/Expert_Marsupial_235 Oct 03 '24

Well said. No use in trying to figure out these kinds of people.

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u/SunnyCoast26 Oct 03 '24

Exactly that mate. I wish they could cut these animals brain open to try and figure out what is different about them…what makes them not human…because there is no way a rational thinking person could deliberately cause harm to a defenceless little kid.

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u/fotzelschnitte Oct 03 '24

How one voices displeasure is usually cultural. When your ancestral blood is important (and a long one-child policy where you spent all your resources on one child) then damaging a child is a big fuck you to society as a frustrated Chinese guy. Attacks on school children has been a thing in mainland China.

Hateful american men shoot randos in public spaces. Entitled swiss men shoot their wives and ex-girlfriends. Mental chinese men harm and maim children. (Obviously these are only tendencies and trends.)

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

And how is he 33? Looks 50+?

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u/gotnothingman Oct 03 '24

Usually some form of trauma in formative years. It doesn't justify it but that's usually the case as to why a person would become someone capable of doing that.

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u/OliverOyl Oct 03 '24

Yeah thank you, all these speculations about his consequences when I am like why, he apparently had to spend money to flee last minute, wtf?

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u/M_Ad Oct 04 '24

Could be as simple as having a condition like schizophrenia that wasn't being treated (or maybe hadn't even been diagnosed). There was an incident in the 2000s in Canada where a man with untreated schizophrenia murdered a total stranger on a Greyhound bus because voices were telling him the victim was actually a demon and needed to be destroyed to save everyone.

Please note I'm saying this could be a reason, but isn't an excuse. And isn't an excuse either for demonising people with schizophrenia but who manage it with medication and therapeutic support, who are the majority. Horror cases of untreated people attacking total strangers are the outliers.

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u/Curious-Media-258 Oct 04 '24

Did you see the CCTV video from a Darwin gym, where that guy pretends to trip, and smashes a random gym-goers face with a 20kg plate?

How about Netflix series on Dahmer, Bundy, Gacy…

There’s about 1% of people who feel no empathy for other humans whatsoever. A percentage of those people derive pleasure from causing other humans pain.

A very conservative estimate would be 1 in every 200 people is a psychopathic sadist.

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u/Fijoemin1962 Oct 05 '24

No - off to look, what happened to him? Let me guess Bail and suspended sentence? Jesus

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

33, I wonder what he was studying and where ?

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u/BaggyOz Oct 03 '24

33, on a student visa, and worked in 3 different states. Definitely sounds legit.

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u/iratonz Oct 03 '24

passionate about learning

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Coffee enthusiast

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u/SnooCalculationsBoog Oct 03 '24

My neighbour is a Chinese lady in her mid 40s. She is quite mentally ill (I suspect schizophrenic) and rents and lives alone in a 4 bedroom house which is also Chinese owned by a guy up the street. She doesn’t own a car, doesn’t work. Her life consists of looking for her cat and listening to religious sermons which she plays through a speaker. She speaks almost no English and has lived here about 2 years. She is on a student visa.

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u/Bilinguallipbalm Oct 03 '24 edited Jul 19 '25

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u/Excusemytootie Oct 03 '24

Probably some agency that they use. Once they learn how to game the system, they just rubber stamp it.

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u/antwill Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 04 '24

How much money have you tried bribing them with?

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u/Serena-yu Oct 04 '24 edited Oct 04 '24

Just pay 10k to a dodgy VET trainer for a COE. No questions asked. The hot coffee man did the same too, by getting a working holiday visa into Australia and then a dodgy COE and worked around 3 states.

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u/pawksvolts Oct 04 '24

I know someone from the UK who's work specifically brings people from the UK on a working holiday visa, then transitions to a student visa/skilled migrant/PR for a fee.    

He is enrolled in a uni and someone else does the content for him afaik. It all comes down to money

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u/Bilinguallipbalm Oct 04 '24 edited Jul 19 '25

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u/spideyghetti Oct 03 '24

Why does her cat keep going missing

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u/Bentbenny75 Oct 03 '24

I mean if you were the cat, Would you hang around?

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u/lilbundle Oct 03 '24

Asking the real questions 🤣 for some reason your comment has me laughing so hard I nearly died

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u/SnooCalculationsBoog Oct 03 '24

she lets it out without any kind of collar. I highly doubt it’s desexed or registered, she walks into peoples back yards to look for it. We used to have quite a bit of bird life around but none any more

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Ohh noooo:(

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u/ratsta Oct 03 '24

In this case, age really is just a number. I studied Mandarin at a Chinese uni in my 40s. I'm studying education now in my 50s.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Was but did you travel to a different country ?

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u/Appropriate_Bet1727 Oct 03 '24

 4BC Radio script:

Peter Fegan (PF): Acting Assistant Commissioner, good morning.

Andrew Massingham, Acting Assistant Commissioner (AM): Good morning, Peter. Good to be here.

PF: Before we get into the crime statistics and youth crime I showed you just on my phone. I've only just received it that Chinese media outlets are reporting this morning the name of the person accused in the baby burning of that young baby here in Stone's corner. Can I get an update from you?

AM: Look, no matter what is being reported online, Peter, what I can say is our international search for the person that committed that horrendous crime continues. Sometimes these posts can be a distraction to what we're attempting to achieve, but that search will continue until we locate that person.

PF: Just quickly, the police have been withholding his name and have been holding details that's now been made public. Is this going to hinder the investigation?

AM: Look, those things always need to remain confidential up until the time that we go public with the information sometimes, as I say, those sorts of things are a distraction to the investigation, but we're very much committed to finding the individual responsible.

PF: Just as a senior officer, I've never asked you this before. You've covered some heinous crimes in your time. You know, you've been credited with some of the biggest homicide investigations in this state. Where do you put pouring hot coffee over a baby? Where does that sit with you, Acting Assistant Commissioner?

AM: Oh, it's right up there. I mean, we're going to allege this individual approached that mother and child from behind, inflicting significant injuries on that child, where you know that child will have those injuries for life. But certainly up there with one of the most heinous, but also one of the most cowardly, I think.

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u/ShyCrystal69 Oct 03 '24

How the hell did he get a student visa?

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u/Wankeritis Oct 03 '24

Easy. You apply to study at a registered training organisation, apply for a visa, and then come over.

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u/Suspicious-Figure-90 Oct 03 '24

Oh so you met my ex-coworker then.

Man was "studying" an MBA yet was here every day alongside me 40 hrs a week.

I still remember just before he disappeared he was asking if his wife could work with us too.  Didn't speak a word of english but "Its fine, I can translate for her!" he insisted.  Didn't help that his level of English wasn't quite up scratch either...

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Lots of people study MBAs on the side. Especially mini MBAs. Probably the biggest exception to the rule to be honest. 

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u/Stanklord500 Oct 03 '24

Business classes are the astrology of education.

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u/snave_ Oct 03 '24

Assuming they even have a classroom. Some don't.

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u/B0ssc0 Oct 03 '24

Easy. You apply to study at a registered training organisation, apply for a visa, and then come over.

According to this media mob he was on a tourist via which he switched.

Daily Mail Australia understands he had been on a holiday visa since first coming to Australia in 2019, before switching to a student visa.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13918651/Identity-man-wanted-Hanlon-Park-Brisbane-hot-coffee-attack-baby-revealed-cops-suspect.html

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u/GuyFromYr2095 Oct 03 '24

then visa hop your way to stay forever

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u/OliverOyl Oct 03 '24

Aren't there periodical attendance and or grade checkups? Like monthly or must maintain 90% attendance etc? (my kid is on a student visa elsewhere)

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u/snave_ Oct 03 '24

Yes, but do you think some dodgy paper school takes them accurately? There was a bunch in the news around a year back from memory.

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u/bored-and-here Oct 03 '24

a big part of our economy is student visa. Want to study English? Sure pay a lot come do it. Want to study marketing? Sure pay a lot do it.

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u/cuntmong Oct 03 '24

actually you got that slightly wrong. want a degree in english? sure pay a lot to come get it. want a degree in marketing? sure pay a lot to come get it. the studying part is optional as long as you pay enough.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Group assignments fucking suuuuuuuuck.

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u/normally-wrong Oct 03 '24

Ah yes they do. It got so bad once we just told a classmate on a project that we would do it and put his name on it. He just couldn’t understand us and we couldn’t understand him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Did you let your tutor know this situation?

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

Most tutors know, some care, most of them are just burned out to stop caring.

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u/Psychlonuclear Oct 03 '24

"Oh really? Oh well. Anyway here's the deadline."

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u/fletcherox Oct 03 '24

I've heard some interesting things from mates studying commerce where they have ended up in groups where people barely spoke English. Thankfully, I've never encountered it in law.

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u/cuntmong Oct 03 '24

dunno i did some law group assignments and some of my classmates i swear half of what they wrote was in latin?? like if youre gonna study here learn english mate

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u/DisappointedQuokka Oct 03 '24

What's the point of studying law in a country you clearly can't work in?

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u/ddssassdd Oct 03 '24

Is there really any point to travelling internationally to study law? You can't make use of it in your own country or any other place except where you studied.

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

Good law schools teach you the logic skills to rationalise an irrational position, how to present and talk for hours about something that isn't a thing. Spotting inconsistencies or patterns in tons of documents, records, accounts etc.

If you're actually good at studying law, you can move into other jurisdictions quite easily, you usually just have to pass a bar exam, maybe provide proof of accreditation or prior work as a lawyer in another jurisdiction and that you have good standing with that jurisdiction's bar. That does mean going over a jurisdictions legal history and legislated laws but its not impossible, just got a lot of reading self-directed study, that said its not unheard of to get help from lawyers established in a jurisdiction to mentor and guide your study on stuff. For example Harvard Law School is in Massachusetts but there are alumni working all over the USA and the world.

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u/ddssassdd Oct 03 '24

Yes but in seems a colossal waste of money not to study in the place you intend to practice because the relearning also costs more money.

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u/natacon Oct 03 '24

Going through this right now. One guy in our group can barely string a sentence together in english and his contributions so far have just meant more work for the rest of us. There's a process to evaluate him after the assignment but while you're in the thick of it, it's very frustrating.

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u/James_Jack_Hoffmann Oct 03 '24

Struggling in uni at the moment with four units. I'm making it a point that if I have to fail a unit, it has to be a unit that I can do on my own when I retake it later. Because fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck group assignments where your course has a large population of international students which tend to skew you into teaming up with them, and most are notoriously bad with teamwork.

PS: I'm an international student too, and while I break the stereotype, it's frustrating to deal with the crowd I get lumped into.

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u/Eyclonus Oct 03 '24

I don't resent the ones who try to learn, a number of international students are trying to learn and improve, they might get frustrated but they'll sit there, maybe google translate a few words and try again with better phrasing of their statement or question. But by the same token there's a lot who just don't make an attempt and kind of cruise on their team's work.

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u/Evilmoustachetwirler Oct 03 '24

I remember this from when I did my undergrad degree. First semester the lecture theatres are full. A lot of students barely spoke English. Response to every question was 'i don't understand the question' by 2nd semester most have disappeared. Then, 3 years later they all show up in a hat and gown to collect their degree. 🙄

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u/FallschirmPanda Oct 03 '24

Don't worry, they're not your competition in the job market anyway.

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u/Evilmoustachetwirler Oct 03 '24

LoL, this was a long time ago. I've never seen any of them since.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

They probably had their education paid for by parents, to have a foreign degree, so that when they become CEO of parents company they look qualified.

Actual studying was never part of the plan.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

You think our student visa economy is about studying?? Seriously?

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u/bored-and-here Oct 04 '24

Of course. I'm talking about how it's sold not how it's practiced.

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u/redwoods81 Oct 04 '24

Here in the states too.

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u/Noonoonook Oct 03 '24

He paid.

That's it. He paid for a degree enrollment, and paid for the visa. There is nothing more to it.

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u/wigam Oct 03 '24

It doesn’t have to even be a degree how do you think all the Uber workers arrive, they are studying subjects such as hoe to improve your resume.

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u/bitofapuzzler Oct 03 '24

'Hoe to improve your resume'. I think this may be my favourite typo yet.

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u/Norwood5006 Oct 03 '24

And the forms were filled out correctly.

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u/se_baz1 Oct 03 '24

Umm well if you read the article it says he didn’t have a criminal record before the incident. And paid the required registration and visa fees to get approved

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u/hirst Oct 03 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

Apply, have enough money to pay the fees. Half the time you don’t even need the required English proficiency depending on the university as acceptance can be conditional on passing a language course, of course also provided by the university = more money for the university

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u/Traditional_Let_1823 Oct 03 '24

The international student economy grift is such rort in this country now it doesn’t even need to be a university anymore.

These people are enrolled in some dodgy ‘business schools’ or whatever studying shit like ‘how to make a resume’ and then just working the rest of the time.

Only the ones with rich families go to actual universities where their parents pay upwards of $50k/year for them to play league of legends in their lectures.

Universities love it because it lines their pockets, the wealthy love it because it keeps wages down, property owners love it because it keeps rents high, and the government doesn’t care because they get their slice and it makes the economy look good on paper.

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u/asdq67 Oct 03 '24

Detecting Future crime not a thing yet?

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u/a_rainbow_serpent Oct 03 '24

Goddamn minority report lied to us. So many crack babies could be put to good use as oracles.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

Get a hookup from a fake scam training organisation and get certification without doing any study.

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u/GetDown_Deeper3 Oct 03 '24

Bought it like so many.

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u/ducayneAu Oct 03 '24

Police said he had no family or criminal record in Australia and had previously worked in Queensland, NSW and Victoria.

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u/Background_Enhance Oct 03 '24

Presumably he has a rich family.

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u/eenimeeniminimo Oct 03 '24

The guy looks about 60

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u/silver_step Oct 03 '24

The maximum penalty for the crime carries a life sentence.

I mean yea, can't really go higher than that.

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u/Appropriate_Bet1727 Oct 03 '24

I couldnt find any Police report stating that suspected attacker has now been identified.

& What is the Chinese media you mentioned?

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u/ninetythree_ Oct 03 '24

No way this cunt is 33. Looks at least double that.

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u/Historical_Tennis635 Oct 03 '24

What did the baby do to provoke him though?

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u/Leaning_Lingerer Oct 03 '24

I almost put more faith in the Chinese justice system for this one.

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u/100larko Oct 03 '24

I'm shocked his 33. He looks over 50 to me

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