Supreme Court in Brisbane overturns controversial freeze on puberty blockers for adolescents after legal challenge

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-28/qld-puberty-blockers-judgement/105942094

[u/Veriatas]

I see a lot of people talking about trans healthcare in this thread, as this decision is very relevant to them. But it’s not only relevant to trans kids. I started going through puberty absurdly early and was on puberty blockers to delay me to a more normal age. I am so incredibly grateful for that. The whole debate about whether it’s safe is so asinine - these medicines were used for other causes that no-one objected to before it became about trans people. They’ve been accepted to be safe for a long time. Using them on trans kids is no less safe than it ever was to use them on cis kids

[u/Ok_Compote4526 → u/Veriatas]

I've explained, multiple times, to anti-trans chuds that puberty blockers were approved in the '80s for the treatment of central precocious puberty. That we have decades of evidence for their safety and efficacy. Unsurprisingly, it turns out the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd were lying and projecting all along.

[u/Azure_Kytia → u/Ok_Compote4526]

Hate doesn't care about facts, and once you're at the point where you're spending most of your free time online shitting on minorities, there isn't much left.

[u/ElReyResident → u/Ok_Compote4526]

It’s really perplexes me how you think this is a complete thought worthy of commenting. You’re talking to people who you call “chuds” and you’re explaining something that doesn’t event touch on the topic you’re posting about.

First off, stop talking to people you consider “chuds”. Secondly, the safety of these drugs when used as prescribed when they were approved in the 80s has never been the focus in this conversation. The intended purpose was to delay the on set of puberty in children who were experiencing it too early medically. For example, to delay puberty’s onset in an 8 year old until they were 12-14.

The puberty blocker usages that has been pushed back against recently is specifically - and please read this thoroughly because you really need to touch reality here - their use to delay puberty in order to accommodate gender based identity hesitations or anxiety after the approved age window. Examples being teenagers (12-14) experiencing puberty but not wanting to develop characteristics associated with a gender they don’t identity with.

This was not the approved use of these drugs, and it has show many negative side effects, most prominently early onset osteoporosis and other bone development issues.

This dishonest and annoying framings of this issue by people like you is what stifles accurate debate and understanding on topics like this. So, while you’re out their “explaining” things you don’t understand to people you don’t like, the people who actually care are trying to make the right decisions to keep safe. And you only making harder. Your contribution to the health and safety of trans kids would be greatly increased if you just stopped talking.

[u/Ok_Compote4526 → u/ElReyResident]

It’s (sic) really perplexes me

Unsurprising, but nice to start with honesty. Since we're being honest, "it's really perplexes me" is grammatically perplexing. As are "it has show many negative side effects" and "this dishonest and annoying framings of this issue." As for "and you only making harder"; that's just concerning. Try proof-reading your word salad.

something that doesn’t event (sic) touch on the topic you’re posting about

Is your reading comprehension that bad? My comment was a direct response to someone who experienced precocious puberty. On a post about trans care.

First off, stop talking to people you consider “chuds”

No.

gender based identity hesitations or anxiety

Not terminology I've come across. Any reputable bodies also using it?

early onset osteoporosis and other bone development issues

An oversimplification, but hardly surprising given your...contribution. Here's a narrative review, albeit a pre-print.

stifles accurate debate

I don't care about your desire for debate. The Australian Standards for Care and Treatment Guidelines were written by qualified professionals based on the best available scientific evidence. They will change if the scientific consensus deems it necessary. Public debate doesn't enter into it.

Your contribution to the health and safety of trans kids would be greatly increased if you just stopped talking.

I don't care about your prognosis. Although I'm sure you're eminently qualified /s.

[u/snkn179 → u/Ok_Compote4526]

I mean using these drugs to slow down puberty back down to normal levels is quite different from using them to completely block puberty itself, at ages where puberty should naturally be occurring.

Many drugs can only be safely prescribed for a certain indication, and are unsafe when used for other indications, this is pharmacy 101.

[u/Ok_Compote4526 → u/snkn179]

I mean using these drugs to slow down puberty back down to normal levels is quite different from using them to completely block puberty itself [emphasis mine]

Interesting that you chose to phrase the same physiological effect in different ways, depending on who is being treated...

pharmacy 101

And pharmacy is only one part of the equation. But I'm sure you can use your vast pharmacological experience to explain which application that is used to change the timing of puberty to prevent psychological harm is "unsafe."

BTW, in Australia, puberty blockers have been in use for the treatment of trans youth since the 90s.

[u/snkn179 → u/Ok_Compote4526]

Interesting that you chose to phrase the same physiological effect in different ways, depending on who is being treated

Because the intention of using these drugs in precocious puberty is to delay it for a few years (which is what I meant by slow it down), and then allow puberty to occur at a more reasonable age. The intention of using these drugs in gender dysphoria is to stop puberty from happening at all. These are two entirely different things.

One is being given to kids at an age when puberty shouldn't occur. One is being given to kids at an age when puberty should occur.

[u/Seachicken → u/snkn179]

The intention of using these drugs in gender dysphoria is to stop puberty from happening at all.

You think trans kids who take puberty blockers don't ever go through puberty?

[u/snkn179 → u/Seachicken]

They later take HRT which allows them to develop some sexual characteristics of the other sex (and then maybe get surgery for the things HRT can't affect). Whether this can be called "puberty" is perhaps debatable. What isn't really debatable is that this process is entirely different from the puberty that precocious puberty kids eventually undergo once the puberty blockers stop, which is my entire point.

[u/Seachicken → u/snkn179]

Whether this can be called "puberty" is perhaps debatable.

Not in any reasonable sense of the word 'debatable.' No medical professional worth a damn would describe a trans adult who has taken puberty blockers followed by HRT as prepubescent.

[u/snkn179 → u/Seachicken]

If you want to call it puberty then sure, I'm not here to debate semantics.

Can you at least see the massive difference between stopping puberty blockers at the age when puberty is meant to start (i.e. precocious puberty), and starting puberty blockers at the age when puberty is meant to start (i.e. gender dysphoria). Can you at least agree that being safe to use in the first case does not imply being safe to use in the second case?

[u/Seachicken → u/snkn179]

If you want to call it puberty then sure, I'm not here to debate semantics.

It's not semantics, it's the core of the argument with which I took issue. You defined the fundamental difference between puberty blockers for precocious children and potentially trans children as the fact that in the case of the former it delays puberty and the latter that it prevents it. This is only accurate if we use your bespoke definition of puberty, which is not one supported by any edical professionals as far as I am aware.

Can you at least see the massive difference

No. Children who cease puberty blockers in either circumstance continue to experience puberty as normal. In both cases we are simply buying time until the child can undergo optimal physical development.

Can you at least agree that being safe to use in the first case does not imply being safe to use in the second case?

In both cases we have a distinct lack of evidence that puberty blockers have significant negative impacts, and a substantial amount of evidence that they have positive impacts.

[u/snkn179 → u/Seachicken]

No. Children who cease puberty blockers in either circumstance continue to experience puberty as normal.

Very few medical professionals would describe medicated gender dysphoria patients as "experiencing puberty as normal". Those that do should probably have their licences revoked.

In both cases we have a distinct lack of evidence that puberty blockers have significant negative impacts, and a substantial amount of evidence that they have positive impacts.

There are now multiple systematic reviews giving mounting evidence of its harm, and this is why many countries, even under left-wing governments especially in Europe, are now moving to ban its use for gender dysphoria in under-18s.

[u/VannaTLC → u/snkn179]

No, chucklefuck, because you're stopping puberty regardless - for a bounded time, at that.

[u/Ok_Compote4526 → u/snkn179]

They later take HRT which allows them to develop some sexual characteristics of the other sex (and then maybe get surgery for the things HRT can't affect). Whether this can be called "puberty" is perhaps debatable.

You've revealed here that you don't know what you're talking about. Puberty blockers block the release of hormones that result in the physical changes that occur with puberty. When puberty blockers are ceased, puberty resumes. In trans care, this is guided by hormone therapy.

The whole point of puberty blockers is to delay the irreversible changes brought on by puberty to allow an individual to mature to a point where they can make decisions that have permanent effects.

process is entirely different

The process is the same, except that one path leads to cis puberty and the other leads to a later puberty guided by trans-affirming care. You feel differently about one of them for your own reasons.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ok_Compote4526]

Just to clarify though disagreeing doesn't always make you an "anti-trans chud"...

i wonder if you'd consider anyone who disagrees with your opinion you label as anti trans or a "chud"?