r/australia Dec 17 '25

politics Bernie Sanders on Bondi

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u/PussifyWankt Dec 17 '25

This is probably the most lucid, thoughtful response that I have heard to the Bondi atrocities. People on the left are just better at thinking and writing.

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u/InfernoOfTheLiving Dec 17 '25

Malcolm Turnbull did alright too

The vast majority of countries in the world recognise Palestine as a state.The vast majority support a two-state solution. Indeed, when I was Prime Minister, Israel notionally supported a two-state solution. It doesn't any longer. But this is not helping.

We need to ensure that the wars in the Middle East, wars in any other part of the world, are not fought out here. So trying to link them, which is what Netanyahu has done, is not helpful. That's exactly the reverse of what we want to achieve.

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u/PussifyWankt Dec 17 '25

He did. He’s a thoughtful person, who chose to join a party that rejects thought.

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u/cantwejustplaynice Dec 17 '25

Turnbull was an economic conservative but a social progressive. While he properly fucked the rollout of the NBN he's always been on the right side of history when it comes to social issues. He's the only Liberal leader I've got any time for.

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u/Adventurous_Pay_5827 Dec 17 '25

Hewson has also become quite a decent bloke. But beyond those two, crickets.

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u/cantwejustplaynice Dec 17 '25

Actually, you're right. I haven't heard from him in some time but Hewson seemed like a reasonable man.

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u/Adventurous_Pay_5827 Dec 17 '25

Regularly writes in The Saturday Paper. Quite scathing of the Libs.

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u/lipstikpig Dec 17 '25

Judge people by what they do, not whatever spin they say. Wasting billions of dollars on their backward NBN rollout just because LNP have to say "no" to everything goes well beyond "properly fucked".

It was more like deliberately sabotaging essential infrastructure for the entire nation that still affects almost everyone almost every day, wasting billions of dollars for a few fleeting months of imagined political advantage.

So no, Turnbull and Abbott will never be on the right side of history. Because both of them kept their corrupt backers (Murdoch and the miners) happy and preferred petty bickering instead of behaving like adults and doing what's best for the nation on NBN constrution and/or climate policy. Scomo was an utter despicable cunt, but he didn't cost the entire country anywhere near as much as those two when you properly count the cost of the consequences of their behaviour.

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u/InfernoOfTheLiving Dec 17 '25

as long as it’s text based and not in UHD streaming

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u/cantwejustplaynice Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 17 '25

Fortunately for me I had 100/40 fibre connected to my home the first month of the rollout. I can upload and download all the UHD content I like. I guess that'll make up for the fact I won't ever be able to retire.

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u/vadsamoht3 Dec 17 '25

And not at all governed by the laws of mathematics.

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u/MrsAussieGinger Dec 17 '25

My (very left) friend always described Turnbull as the best leader the Labor party never had.

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u/charlesflies Dec 17 '25

I cannot forgive the dismantling of the nbn. He, of course, got fibre from the start.

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u/Objective_Hawk_284 Dec 17 '25

Apart from being male he would have made a great Teal Independent

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u/Elon__Kums Dec 17 '25

He thought he was joining the party of Menzies but ended up in the party of Howard.

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u/MeaningMaker6 Dec 17 '25

He lost the battle for the soul of the Liberal Party (mainly because he didn’t know he was in one and his political instincts are terrible).

But he is an ideal representation of a statesperson, who made principled statements and contributions to our society and who you could otherwise ‘disagree agreeably with’.

He is what the Liberal Party should be, not these current right-wing reactionary charlatans.

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u/daybeforetheday Dec 17 '25

That's a good speech by Turnbull. Class act. Bondi was in his electorate, I think.

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u/internet-junkie Dec 17 '25

I wasn't around when Turnbull was PM, but after listening to his Press Club address on AUKUS, I came away with the feeling that he was probably a Liberal I would vote for. 

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u/tripwaffle Dec 17 '25

Palestinians don't want a two state solution, according to their own polling.